[Nosmas]

That Sutil-crash looked really strange, Sutil was somehow slower out of pit than other drivers before, so Kimi came close - too close ... but I wouldn't say it was Kimis fault, he may have left a little bit more space for Sutil, but then he would have had to let him pass...

[Verriasana]

Rubens really should have engaged his brain before speaking to the camera. Everyones jaws just seemed to hit the floor after listening him speak to the TV crew and you could see them thinking to themselves "Did he really just say that?!".


Bad move Rubens. [no]

Damnit - I went to bed after the race (around 1:50am local time and up at 6am) so I missed it.
Not surprised if he was rather vocal - not very smart of Webber to deliberately ram his car into Rubens a few seconds into the race! Could easily have damage one of the cars or cut a tyre - stupid, stupid, stupid!

That said, it was a damned good drive by Webber to have such a decisive victory, especially after the drive through penalty.

Sutil and Kimi was, IMO, little more than a racing incident.

[Gabbavnf]

Damnit - I went to bed after the race (around 1:50am local time and up at 6am) so I missed it.
Not surprised if he was rather vocal - not very smart of Webber to deliberately ram his car into Rubens a few seconds into the race! Could easily have damage one of the cars or cut a tyre - stupid, stupid, stupid!

That said, it was a damned good drive by Webber to have such a decisive victory, especially after the drive through penalty.

Sutil and Kimi was, IMO, little more than a racing incident.

It was shown on the BBC F1 forum which is shown after the main broadcast, so it might not have been covered where you are until later anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9XQZLthZaw

[cargo_brad]

lol @ Rubens, he was 11th quickest in the whole race and expected to win it just because he got pole at the start? [rofl][rofl]

[Verriasana]

lol @ Rubens, he was 11th quickest in the whole race and expected to win it just because he got pole at the start? [rofl][rofl]

Webber was on pole, RB was second in qualifying.
RB also finished 6th.
Alonso had the fastest lap yet finished one place behind RB.

[CevepBiageCefm]

Webber claimed he didn't know Rubens was there on his right and thought he was going to pass him on the left?! But why would you swerve off the racing line to let your competitor through? Marks explanation didn't make sense to me.

[cargo_brad]

Webber was on pole, RB was second in qualifying.
RB also finished 6th.
Alonso had the fastest lap yet finished one place behind RB.

RB was leading the race to begin with. That's what I meant having a rough morning..

RB although finished 6th, he still was 11th fastest round the track. IE, He was lucky to get that place.

[Gabbavnf]

RB was leading the race to begin with. That's what I meant having a rough morning..

RB although finished 6th, he still was 11th fastest round the track. IE, He was lucky to get that place.

Aye his tires turned to **** near the end of both stints, if he had switched to 2 stopping he might not have kept second.

[greekbeast]

TBH I'm a but surprised at Rubens's outburst. He's the most experienced driver on the grid, you'd think he'd know better than to bad mouth his own team in front of the press like that before he'd even talked to them.

[costamarianavia]

TBH I'm a but surprised at Rubens's outburst. He's the most experienced driver on the grid, you'd think he'd know better than to bad mouth his own team in front of the press like that before he'd even talked to them.

Considering he already said few races back that he's ready to quit and return to Brazil if he feels he's being treated unfair compared to Button, I'm not surprised at all

[greekbeast]

Considering he already said few races back that he's ready to quit and return to Brazil if he feels he's being treated unfair compared to Button, I'm not surprised at all

Even EJ and DC were flabbergasted at what he said. Frank Williams said he needed a good talking to.

[Annewsded]

Considering he already said few races back that he's ready to quit and return to Brazil if he feels he's being treated unfair compared to Button, I'm not surprised at all

he wasn't treated unfairly though. his fuel rig didn't work. it would be pretty mad to suggest that was intentional. only question hangs over whether on the final stops they needed to bring in rubens first to pretty much let jenson stay out an extra lap and get past.

have to say brawn got the strategy wrong this week anyway.

[DeedPatmeda]

I don't think it bloody matters what strategy Brawn had. If you have to duck and weave to get heat in super soft tyres, clearly the car isn't up to the task!

I finally saw the intervew yo'ure all going on about. Appalling really. It wouldn't surprise me that Brawn pay Webber next time to completely run him off the road.

EDIT: To add to that, I think RB has become a bunch of old sour grapes. It's all about him and screw everyone else. He couldn't win a thing in the Shumacher days and now he still can't win.

[cargo_brad]

I think the attitudes between Button and Rubens are obvious. Button is so focused on not just Himself but the team. During that race, and every race before that, you always hear Button giving the team feed back during the race, whether its the tyres or like this race, working out WHILST driving when he needs to pit to get points for the team.

Rubens doesn't do that, clearly he has no respect for the team and is clearly not interested in what they have to say.

People have to understand, that winning a race, isn't just about the driver, its about strategy not just when to pit, but how much fuel, what tyres to use next and so on.

Rubens went on about "how the team showed exactly how to loose a race" but ultimately, if he had moved aside, as anyone who was a team player should have done, for button on the last quarter of that race, He would have caught Rosburg at the very least and if not taken him. Instead Ruben f*cked about holding Button back about and cost Brawn a possible point or two more.

When you have a team like Red Bull coming up your rear like a Bull in a china shop. You stop thinking about number 1 and start thinking about the team.

[Verriasana]

Yup, also now aware of RBs comments.
I suspect it goes back a few races when RB was kept on a three stop stratagy whilst JB was changed to a 2 stop and ended up beating him. He was rather upset at that time and I think it was still on his mind.
He has been around for a while and I think he's just not working as well as he might with the team. That said, he was well in order holding his place as there are no team orders and he is still in the hunt for a Championship placing.

BTW, JB's best lap was over 4/10ths faster than RB's best - if he was as good a driver you'd expect them to be a lot closer.

[valiumnopresc]

BTW, JB's best lap was over 4/10ths faster than RB's best - if he was as good a driver you'd expect them to be a lot closer.

Exactly, Rubens posted the 11th fastest lap of the race, you can't win races with lap times like that (which is basically what Ross Brawn said afterwards).

The guy is a whinging cry baby, at 37 he's been given one heck of a good car to go out racing with, I'm sure there are many drivers who would love the opportunity to be sitting in his seat right now. Ungrateful little ****...

[costamarianavia]

Track name: Nürburgring
Track length: 5.148 km
Race length: 60 laps = 308.863 km

Drivers Championship (8/17 races *):
1. Jenson Button 64
2. Rubens Barrichello 41
3. Sebastian Vettel 39
4. Mark Webber 35,5
5. Jarno Trulli 21,5
6. Felipe Massa 16
7. Nico Rosberg 15,5
8. Timo Glock 13
9. Fernando Alonso 11
10. Kimi Räikkönen 10
11. Lewis Hamilton 9
12. Nick Heifeld 6
13. Heikki Kovalainen 4
14. Sebastien Buemi 3
15. Robert Kubica 2
16. Sebastien Bourdais 2

Constructors Championship(8/17 *):
1. Brawn GP 105
2. Red Bull 74,5
3. Toyota 34,5
4. Ferrari 26
5. Williams 15,5
6. McLaren 13
7. Renault 11
8. BMW 8
9. Toro Rosso 5

* Malaysian GP points were cut to half.

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On the news:
FIA & FOTA: Back to square one? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76777

[Annewsded]

its pathetic they cant decide on a weight limit for the cars without walking out of a meeting.

still, should be a decent race. hope the weathers good

[costamarianavia]

Aaaand now the FOTA teams have been removed from next seasons team list
(no english source for this (yet))

[happyman]

Aaaand now the FOTA teams have been removed from next seasons team list
(no english source for this (yet))

My god man you look whiter than normal, you ok?