[Ztcgtqvb]

You're both wrong & serb is correct... best tyres should always go on the axle which is delivering power.

So... FWD cars... best tyres on front... RWD, best tyres on back.

Obviously AWD vehicles are a bit more complicated because it depends exactly how the power is balanced between front and rear... but if it's 50/50 then I would put them on the front due to the steering.

... that's for safety anyway


I like drifting... so it's good tyres on the front and crap tyres on the back in a RWD car

you don't know what your talking about.

where do you 'drift'?

do you think drifting is what most people want? no.... they don't. it's not safe.

tool.

Take some literacy classes you c**t and re-read what I posted... I've put it in bold to help your eyesight.

Why you have to be such an ******** about it... I have no idea.

I've drifted a Caterham around Brands hatch (as one example) + numerous other race outings - every moron knows the grippier tyres go on the front & the less-grippy tyres go on the back if you want to kick the back end out easier.

[Mowselelew]

Take some literacy classes you c**t and re-read what I posted... I've put it in bold to help your eyesight.

Why you have to be such an ******** about it... I have no idea.

i can read what you wrote. thats why i know your wrong.

michellin are wrong are they? despite being a multi-billion dollar tyre manufacturer they don't know better than you. i see.

every moron knows the grippier tyres go on the front & the less-grippy tyres go on the back if you want to kick the back end out easier. that's right, but most people don't want to do that driving to work you idiot.

[ferelrossi]

Obviously AWD vehicles are a bit more complicated because it depends exactly how the power is balanced between front and rear... but if it's 50/50 then I would put them on the front due to the steering.

Again,you will destroy your center differential if you run badly worn tires and good tires mixed together on an AWD car,it does not matter what the power split is,it is universally a bad idea.

You want all the tires to be as uniform as possible,if you get new tires and have an AWD car,don't be cheap,get 4 good tires.

Also,on a dry road the worn tires will have more grip as they have more contact area with the road,why do you think they use slicks in racing?

[domeffire]

that's right, but most people don't want to do that driving to work you idiot.

I don't drift I waft to work

[Ztcgtqvb]

i can read what you wrote. thats why i know your wrong.

michellin are wrong are they? despite being a multi-billion dollar tyre manufacturer they don't know better than you. i see.


that's right, but most people don't want to do that driving to work you idiot.

That's why I wrote it seperately from the 'safety' bits and as to what I like to do on the weekends... you ****** (yes, name calling IS productive)

While their suggestion is probably the best for your average driver who never gets near the limit of front wheel grip on a FWD car - that doesn't mean it's best for everyone.

If you have 2 pairs of tyres for a FWD car... one set good, one set bad & you're looking to get the best performance out of them, the best set should always go on the front... I'm talking from experience competing in rallies every fournight & at the moment I'm having to compete with 2 crap on the rear and 2 good on the front (yes, I've tried the other combination in the past).

Even with tyres which are barely legal on the rear, it's very hard to lose the back end in a FWD car.... unless you're doing handbrake turns of course.

Whereas understeer from a FWD car is a nightmare if the tread depth / quality of tyre is poor.




Saying all this... exactly where you put the tyres is all down to the driver's driving style & has nothing to do with where the power comes from. So forget any 'default' setting someone recommends and figure out which is best for you

[Ztcgtqvb]

Again,you will destroy your center differential if you run badly worn tires and good tires mixed together on an AWD car,it does not matter what the power split is,it is universally a bad idea.

You want all the tires to be as uniform as possible,if you get new tires and have an AWD car,don't be cheap,get 4 good tires.

Also,on a dry road the worn tires will have more grip as they have more contact area with the road,why do you think they use slicks in racing?

Oh yeah - I agree with that - but if you're forced to use mixed sets on an AWD car, and the power balance is 50/50 (very rare) then I would want the better tyres on the front.

However... generally the power balance is more biased toward the rear of the car to get the most acceleration (due to the torque moment created under accel)... so the better tyres would go on the back in most instances.

But obviously... it's much better to run 4x even tyres.

I don't drift I waft to work

Ahhh... I wish I could sail to work (when I get a job)... lol

That would be a nice, relaxing way to wake up in the morning.

Although... drifting to work would certainly wake you up! heh... obviously I would much rather be drifting at work though.

[Mowselelew]

That's why I wrote it seperately from the 'safety' bits and as to what I like to do on the weekends... you ****** (yes, name calling IS productive)

While their suggestion is probably the best for your average driver who never gets near the limit of front wheel grip on a FWD car - that doesn't mean it's best for everyone.

If you have 2 pairs of tyres for a FWD car... one set good, one set bad & you're looking to get the best performance out of them, the best set should always go on the front... I'm talking from experience competing in rallies every fournight & at the moment I'm having to compete with 2 crap on the rear and 2 good on the front (yes, I've tried the other combination in the past).

Even with tyres which are barely legal on the rear, it's very hard to lose the back end in a FWD car.... unless you're doing handbrake turns of course.

Whereas understeer from a FWD car is a nightmare if the tread depth / quality of tyre is poor.




Saying all this... exactly where you put the tyres is all down to the driver's driving style & has nothing to do with where the power comes from. So forget any 'default' setting someone recommends and figure out which is best for you

regardless of where you wrote anything, in your first post you said i was wrong, and i'm not.

i know the original poster didn't say he wasn't drifting or rallying, but i think we can safely say he doesn't have that in mind (i may be wrong though).

we arn't talking about drifting or rallying at all here..... however, if i was driving a rally or drifting, then id certainly considering wanting grip from different wheels of the car, using a set-up like you said.

however, 99.99% of the public do not want a car that's more likely to have its back end sliding around when driving to the shops. they want a safe set up rather than a drifting setup, unless their drive to work takes them though brands hatch.

you can't say because you've competed in rallies with a certain set-up that its best for normal road driving.

if we always drove on dry roads, we could all drive on slicks. this isn't the reality though so we need tread. a sliding back end is far worse/harder to correct than a bit of front end under-steer. therefore, its best to have more tread on the back for whenever the road isn't dry.

http://www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk...314172074.html
http://www.tiresnotes.com/car-tires/...w-tires-64.php
http://www.goodyeartires.com/faqs/Care.html#9
http://www.tyresafe.org/news-and-eve...ck-to-front--/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...o/4243992.html

[ferelrossi]

Oh yeah - I agree with that - but if you're forced to use mixed sets on an AWD car, and the power balance is 50/50 (very rare) then I would want the better tyres on the front.

However... generally the power balance is more biased toward the rear of the car to get the most acceleration (due to the torque moment created under accel)... so the better tyres would go on the back in most instances.

It's not that rare,both AWD cars I've owned are 50/50 split,I'd put the less worn tires on the front too if I had to tbh.


I don't care that it's an unpopular opinion in this thread but you're right,Michelin is playing it safe,most cars are set up to understeer because it is generally accepted as easier to control for most people,saying the best tires should go on the back is just a way to preserve the understeering element for "safety" reasons.

I don't agree though,I find oversteer is easier to control as you don't lose all your steering when traction is lost,I hate that slow ponderous inexorable plowing headlights first to the ouside of a turn. Thats much worse than the back end of the car stepping out slightly.

I don't find understeer to be safe,especially in snow.

[Mowselelew]

It's not that rare,both AWD cars I've owned are 50/50 split,I'd put the less worn tires on the front too if I had to tbh.


I don't care that it's an unpopular opinion in this thread but you're right,Michelin is playing it safe,most cars are set up to understeer because it is generally accepted as easier to control for most people,saying the best tires should go on the back is just a way to preserve the understeering element for "safety" reasons.

I don't agree though,I find oversteer is easier to control as you don't lose all your steering when traction is lost,I hate that slow ponderous inexorable plohing headlights first to teh ouside of a turn. Thats much worse than the back end of the car stepping out slightly.

i know the feeling of the back end steeping out a bit is fun, but it really is a lot easier to have a big accident that way. even with terrible under steer... all you do is lift off. with a big back end slide you can quite easily have the car in a hedge. some people can cope with the back end sliding better than others. to some people, opposite lock doesn't come naturally, and even if it does, there's a very fine balance between correcting the car and having it fishtail down the road out of control. its obvious that people are more likely slide off the road because the back end let go.

crowhorse and his mate know about the dangers of over-steer....

[ferelrossi]

i know the feeling of the back end steeping out a bit is fun, but it really is a lot easier to have a big accident that way. even with terrible under steer... all you do is lift off.

And with oversteer all you do is point where you want to be and be steady on the pedal,I have found lifting off is not always the best when understeering either,some FWD cars especially suffer from lift off oversteer anyway and I find it to be even more difficult to control and likely to throw the car into a spin.

TBH I'll never drive anything but an AWD car again anyway,I've had enough of teh various wrong wheel driven vehicles as it is,and I'll gladly take my turbo'd up oversteer.

[Mowselelew]

And with oversteer all you do is point where you want to be and be steady on the pedal,I have found lifting off is not always the best when understeering either,some FWD cars especially suffer from lift off oversteer anyway and I find it to be even more difficult to control and likely to throw the car into a spin.

TBH I'll never drive anything but an AWD car again anyway,I've had enough of teh various wrong wheel driven vehicles as it is,and I'll gladly take my turbo'd up oversteer.

problem with oversteer is that in most cases its very sudden, understeer tends to come on a lot more gradually. plus, your never going to end up spinning a car through understeer, but it's all too easy with oversteer.

next time your going round a bend at 70mph, imagine the back end sliding out. you'd have to be a very good driver, know your car, hopefully with drifting experience to feel at all safe. very easy to over correct or have the back continue to slide out. if the front end starting to go a bit wide you'd gentlely ease off the throttle and it'll be fine. you could even break.

[ferelrossi]

problem with oversteer is that in most cases its very sudden, understeer tends to come on a lot more gradually. plus, your never going to end up spinning a car through understeer, but it's all too easy with oversteer.

next time your going round a bend at 70mph, imagine the back end sliding out. you'd have to be a very good driver, know your car, hopefully with drifting experience to feel at all safe. very easy to over correct or have the back continue to slide out. if the front end starting to go a bit wide you'd gentlely ease off the throttle and it'll be fine. you could even break.

It's actually generally predictable in my car,it's started in the snow a time or two and in rain when i wasn't expecting,but tbh it's not nearly as dire a picture as you paint it to be. again,at least in my car.

Generally as long as you don't panic and slam the brakes on or leave off on the gas you should be fine,especially as most people drive FWD cars.

I have to say that understeer is pretty nasty in the snow,unless you like ending up sliding headfirst into a ditch.

Not only do you lose your drive wheels you also completely lose the ability to steer, Not the best of combinations. Also not that great on a sudden turn in the dry either.

As you've mentioned most people don't push their cars,I geuss for them understeer is fine,never said it wasn't,I however regularly push my car,70 mph around a turn drifting? Sure,it's fun. I've never been particularly scared when the back end kicks out,stay steady on the throttle and steer...works wonders.

Usually the best safety is to not panic and do something stupid.

[Mowselelew]

yeah your righ. people do panic though. in adverse weather its rather apparent too. on snowy roads over here the number of people using brakes as they would on a dry road is madness. probably why an inch or two of snow causes chaos.

[DebtDetox]

Bloody hell, I nearly forgot I asked the question on here.

It's a front wheel drive car. I'm based in the UK and I'd rather not be doing any drifting.

So, what you're saying is the plane won't take off?

[domeffire]

Bloody hell, I nearly forgot I asked the question on here.

It's a front wheel drive car. I'm based in the UK and I'd rather not be doing any drifting.

So, what you're saying is the plane won't take off?

It will if you swop the wheels over [rofl]

[arindiruppyr]

I lick hairy man balls

Thats a weird thing to say!