[Clolmemaexata]

What a way to ruin a fantastic and memorable end to a grand prix ...

I can't be bothered to go looking on YouTube, but I am convinced I remember MS doing the same thing a million times back in the day (regarding letting another drive back past only to fall back into their slipstream), and he was never penalised ... it's not like Hamilton let Kimi's nose go ahead, he let Kimi go in front but tucked up behind his exhaust rather then falling back 2 seconds which would have been ridiculous since they were side by side in the corner anyway (with Hamilton on the racing line, too).

Since Hamilton gained no advantage in the end, it's absolutely bizarre decision anyway.

[replrobin]

they were side by side in the corner anyway (with Hamilton on the racing line, too).

Actually no, Kimi was on the 'racing line', Hamilton was on the 'overtakin line'

[benderkoz]

Please sign the petition, that includes you CB

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...ed.cgi?belgp08

[replrobin]

Please sign the petition, that includes you CB

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...ed.cgi?belgp08

1) those petitions are worthless (has ANY ever actually changed anything?)
2) IMO the time penalty was justified, should have been done during the race as drive through though, but the time lost is pretty much the same
If Hamilton had calmed the situation like he should have, either put himself properly behind Kimi or just stay behind for the start straight or something, it would have been completely different thing and no need for punishments, but he didn't.

[benderkoz]

1) those petitions are worthless (has ANY ever actually changed anything?)
2) IMO the time penalty was justified, should have been done during the race as drive through though, but the time lost is pretty much the same
If Hamilton had calmed the situation like he should have, either put himself properly behind Kimi or just stay behind for the start straight or something, it would have been completely different thing and no need for punishments, but he didn't.

Give me a break lol, what about Massa's dangerous pit out in the last grand prix? This is nowhere near that, and because it's Hamilton he gets punished. [thumbdown]

[reiruviartugs]

1) those petitions are worthless (has ANY ever actually changed anything?)
2) IMO the time penalty was justified, should have been done during the race as drive through though, but the time lost is pretty much the same
If Hamilton had calmed the situation like he should have, either put himself properly behind Kimi or just stay behind for the start straight or something, it would have been completely different thing and no need for punishments, but he didn't.

You are really dense, even for a fanboy.

[kylsq0Ln]

I notice how they penalise Hamilton, but let freaking Massa who could have caused a serious accident last week off the hook. I am utterly disgusted, what a total disgrace. They had better win their appeal.. [cursing]

Totally different circumstance. Massa did not choose to be released into that position, the team did and as such the team and not the driver should be penalised.

[LsrSRVxR]

1) those petitions are worthless (has ANY ever actually changed anything?)
2) IMO the time penalty was justified, should have been done during the race as drive through though, but the time lost is pretty much the same
If Hamilton had calmed the situation like he should have, either put himself properly behind Kimi or just stay behind for the start straight or something, it would have been completely different thing and no need for punishments, but he didn't.

Stop spouting this BS about "calming" every other post, it's getting on my tits.

Oh, and can you say:

[replrobin]

Give me a break lol, what about Massa's dangerous pit out in the last grand prix? This is nowhere near that, and because it's Hamilton he gets punished. [thumbdown]

AGAIN, there has been several more dangerous, more tight situations on pits before, and no-one ever suggested before that there should be penalties to anyone from them. Why is the Massa incident so much different to you?

And ye, I'm a huuuuge fanboy just because I haven't lost my ability to smell just for having my nose up Hamilton's allmighty ass for so long like a big bunch of you [rofl]

edit:
oh ye, just for the record - I don't like ferrari really, i definately don't like massa, but ye, i am a fan of Räikkönen, just like I was fan of Häkkinen, Salo, JJ and so on and am of Kovalainen - but anything putting even a bit down Hamilton, who seems to be just a crucifiction away from being jesus and god and whatnot to too many, is good in my eyes. He's a good driver, no doubt, one of the top 5 drivers of the moment definately, but he's far from what press etc want to say he is.

edit2.
The top 5 drivers of the momenyt, imo, include alonso, hamilton, kubica, räikkönen and vettel in no particular order (just put them there alphabeticly)

[reiruviartugs]

He was better than Kimi in Spa without a doubt. Kimi was a complete noob in the rain.

[replrobin]

He was better than Kimi in Spa without a doubt. Kimi was a complete noob in the rain.

Really?
Let's see - real spins - both did one (if you want to nitpick, Hamiltons was even more noobish, it didn't even rain, the track was just a bit wet at the early race) - driving out, both did 2-3 times I think?
Crashing? Kimi once, but possibly due already punctured tyre, no confirmation on that one way or the other yet as far as I know

[AbraxiaAsus]

I'm quite angry at the FIA favourtism towards Ferrari recently. I've watched F1 since 1994 and supported Ferrari back in the days when they were only winning one race a year and then through the Schumacher era.

My cynicism started at the end of last year when it was found out that at the last race of the year 2 cars that had finished ahead of Hamilton both had run illegal fuel. Going by the previous 6 incidents when cars had run illegal fuel they had been removed from the standings and lower drivers promoted. Had that been the case Hamilton would of won the world championship. For some reason the FIA breaks with convention and doesn't award points to the lower drivers in that specific case.

Not to mention Raikkonen won last seasons Australian GP with a car that was later deemed to be illegal (the flexi-floor). Funnily enough they kept all the points from that race, despite an illegal device that gave a performance advantage.

Last race Massa should of got a stop-go penalty. If it had been any other garage apart from Ferraris (ie the last one in the pits) then he'd either of had to hit Sutil or hit the mechanics of the garage in front. ie he left at a shallow angle but had it been any other pit he'd of had to turn sharp left and into Sutil.

When Hamilton passsed Raikkonen today I immediately thought of Schumacher. What he did was just exactly Schumachers style. The difference? Schumacher would of got away with it.

What more could Hamilton of done exactly? Someone please say what you'd of done differently had you gone over the chicane to avoid being penalised. Is the FIA trying to discourage overtaking? This is the right way to go about it.

[reiruviartugs]

Yes very disappointing. Looks like it's down to touring cars and WRC for me.

[QqJamxqP]

omfg i come back from the zoo and massa won the race!!? wtf

bs, bs , and more bs. ferrari prolly win the championship again this year, mabye massa .

FIA= ferraria international asssociation.

[replrobin]

My cynicism started at the end of last year when it was found out that at the last race of the year 2 cars that had finished ahead of Hamilton both had run illegal fuel. Going by the previous 6 incidents when cars had run illegal fuel they had been removed from the standings and lower drivers promoted. Had that been the case Hamilton would of won the world championship. For some reason the FIA breaks with convention and doesn't award points to the lower drivers in that specific case.

Actually it was 4 cars, and the only "illegal" thing in the fuel was it's temperature, it was slightly cooler than it should be, which can be either due human error estimating the air and car temperatures, or possibly error by whoever supplies the fuel in the first place (every team gets their fuel and the fueling equipment from the same place)
The mixture of the fuel itself was completely legit and standard.
Not to mention Raikkonen won last seasons Australian GP with a car that was later deemed to be illegal (the flexi-floor). Funnily enough they kept all the points from that race, despite an illegal device that gave a performance advantage. Not the first and not the last time, teams (at least Renault couple seasons ago IIRC, McLaren few times too I think and probably most of the other "big shots") always try to find new things which go slipstreaming through holes in the rules and some of them get then banned on later date, these never cause pointlosses as long as the ruleset didn't cover the new thing some team had come up with.

Last race Massa should of got a stop-go penalty. If it had been any other garage apart from Ferraris (ie the last one in the pits) then he'd either of had to hit Sutil or hit the mechanics of the garage in front. ie he left at a shallow angle but had it been any other pit he'd of had to turn sharp left and into Sutil. But it was the last one in the pits, if this and if that is irrelevant, one could just aswell say anything like "he should be penalized, he couldn't have driven like that if he wasn't starting from the pole position, he would have crashed someone for sure!1" - but hey, that guy who would have crashed someone if he had started from any other position did start from pole, so it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

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What more could Hamilton of done exactly? Someone please say what you'd of done differently had you gone over the chicane to avoid being penalised. Is the FIA trying to discourage overtaking? This is the right way to go about it. What he could and should have done is gotten properly straight behind Räikkönen, not practicly next to him even though a bit behind, and 'cooled' the situation for at least the start straight there, that's how things have always worked in similar situations in F1, if you get past someone by cutting a chicane, you let him back in front of you and cool the situation off properly before trying to overtake or overtaking again.

[Edisesyethisp]

And what about Raikonnen in Monaco who went straight in the back of Sutil and took them both clean out? A normal racing you incident, but you just KNOW if it was a McLaren they would be penalised with a 10 place grid position.

CB, you really are fighting against motor racing here. Not one person here so far has supported you on this, its because its an outrageous decision that once again has favoured Ferrari. I don't even know how you can support this - you are just screaming fanboyism here. Or maybe not fanboyism, but hatred-Hamilton. It is blinding you!

You wouldn't see thing is any other motor racing I really hope McLaren win their appeal because this is just sad for the fans - they spend all their money watching a race, then when they get home they realise another person won because proper motor racing is not allowed where overtaking is considered a crime. F1 has gotten rediculous.

[replrobin]

And what about Raikonnen in Monaco who went straight in the back of Sutil and took them both clean out? A normal racing you incident, but you just KNOW if it was a McLaren they would be penalised with a 10 place grid position.

i just KNOW if it had been Hamilton SUTIL would have been given a 10 place grid penalty
(no seriously though, if you lose traction like Kimi did there, how could you penalize anyone out of it? exactly - you can't, and you won't, no matter who would be crashing who (except if someone crashed hamilton like that, who ever would do that would get banned from the whole f1 and every other fia series for life for that))
CB, you really are fighting against motor racing here. Not one person here so far has supported you on this, its because its an outrageous decision that once again has favoured Ferrari. I don't even know how you can support this - you are just screaming fanboyism here. Or maybe not fanboyism, but hatred-Hamilton. It is blinding you! or maybe it's your love to Hamilton that's blinding you instead? I've honestly seen never as hamilton-oriented forum as this
You wouldn't see thing is any other motor racing I really hope McLaren win their appeal because this is just sad for the fans - they spend all their money watching a race, then when they get home they realise another person won because proper motor racing is not allowed where overtaking is considered a crime. F1 has gotten rediculous. what hamilton did would have been penalized 5 years ago, 10 years ago, you name it, he didn't let the situation cooldown like he should have, it has always worked that way in F1

[_tppga_]

I think Lewis deserves a knighthood for staying silent and biting his lip with all this bullshit he has to put up with..[cursing]
Maybe Max should step in and sort the stewards out, oh wait a minute maybe he's a bit tied up.

[johnteriz]

Hamilton didn't really have any choice in breaking of the challenge and taking to the chicane - Kimi was about to turn into him as he continued following the track through the corner.
Remember guys, Ferrari is the ONLY team with a representative on the board of the FIA.
Remember guys, Ferrari has been called, by Mosley IIRC, THE most important team in F1.
Remember guys, the FIA and Ferrari give each other sexual favours - OK, I made that one up (least ways, I THINK it's a fabrication)

It would seem Kimi DID have a puncture - I don't recall the left rear hitting anything but it was definitely flat during the final stages of his crash.

[replrobin]

Hamilton didn't really have any choice in breaking of the challenge and taking to the chicane - Kimi was about to turn into him as he continued following the track through the corner.

Going through the chicane wasn't the problem, the problem was what happened afterwise, in F1 you're supposed to...
...let the guy you passed back in front - Hamilton did this
...normalize the situation by getting behind him - Hamilton didn't do this properly
...normalize the situation by letting it cool for at least for few seconds - Hamilton didn't do this at all