[pouslytut]

The thing that makes me think is what if this theorieical black hole dont vanish in a milisecond and sinks to the center of the earth and ...well who knows ? When new matter
is created which is part of their goal who knows what can happen. A scientist that was part of the first Nuke test in the US later admited that the government didnt know for sure that the reaction was going to stop within ground zero peramiters. Lets hope these guys are smarter than that.

Where is Gordon nowadays ?

The CERN experiment doesn't even come close to producing the amount of energy needed to destroy the Earth so in theory its practically impossible.
http://www.livescience.com/technolog...arth_mp-1.html
A quick search through google.

[bahrains27]

The CERN experiment doesn't even come close to producing the amount of energy needed to destroy the Earth so in theory its practically impossible.
http://www.livescience.com/technolog...arth_mp-1.html
A quick search through google.

Numbers 8 and 9 from the thread in your post are what people worry about from CERN. Highly unlikely but even the slight possibility should be enough for scientists to go over it again and again which I'm sure they have. I guess we all shall see.


I never said anything about energy. Thats a whole other ballgame. (see my post on HAARP) I just wonder whats gonna come of what they create with this thing. It'll probably be fine. These guys arn't dummies. I guess it's just human nature for some people to fear the unknown. What the guys at HAARP are doing is well documented and a real problem for many concerned governments around the world.

[pouslytut]

Numbers 8 and 9 from the thread in your post are what people worry about from CERN. Highly unlikely but even the slight possibility should be enough for scientists to go over it again and again which I'm sure they have. I guess we all shall see.


I never said anything about energy. Thats a whole other ballgame. (see my post on HAARP) I just wonder whats gonna come of what they create with this thing. It'll probably be fine. These guys arn't dummies. I guess it's just human nature for some people to fear the unknown. What the guys at HAARP are doing is well documented and a real problem for many concerned governments around the world.

What we need to do is hurry up and get to mars that way we can conduct all major experiments there without having to fear the earth will blow up or be destroyed in another way.

[mosypeSom]

What we need to do is hurry up and get to mars that way we can conduct all major experiments there without having to fear the earth will blow up or be destroyed in another way.

I think if Mars blew up we'd still be pretty ****ed

[xgnuwdd]

The thing is that you can never say that anything will NEVER EVER EVER EVER happen, especially when it comes scientific discoveries, there is always a non-zero probability that **** might go wrong but the probability is very small.

Also I read somewhere that the Muons which shower the earth all the time form mini black holes which are more energetic then the ones which will be created in the LHC so there really isnt much to worry about.

I read that somewhere anyways.

[QualityReachOut]

The thing is that you can never say that anything will NEVER EVER EVER EVER happen, especially when it comes scientific discoveries, there is always a non-zero probability that **** might go wrong but the probability is very small.

Also I read somewhere that the Muons which shower the earth all the time form mini black holes which are more energetic then the ones which will be created in the LHC so there really isnt much to worry about.

I read that somewhere anyways.

That's very true, you can't say something won't happen if there is a change, or you think there will be a change; even if it's like winnin the lottery back to back to back to back. Indeed, cosmic rays shower the earth with more energy than the ones produced at the lhc. The black holes created, if they are, are supposed to radiate away. Even if they didn't, it would take a long time to absorb even a proton.

It's not meant to generate a mini Big Bang - the LHC is 'just' a proton/antiproton accelerator that's replaced the previous electron/positron accelerator, the LEP.

It's a proton-proton accelerator.

[Dvjkefdw]

It's a proton-proton accelerator.

That's one (and the initial) use - it's not called the Large Hadron Collider for nothing. The SPS can feed it with antiprotons and heavy ions, as well as protons.

[Poowssnople]

That's one (and the initial) use - it's not called the Large Hardon Collider for nothing. The SPS can feed it with antiprotons and heavy ions, as well as protons.

So then its a multi-purpose device. Sadly enough I'm not a physics major. So what does that mean for us really? How useful do they expect this to be? How long are they estimating the device to be up-to-date and usable? Is it assumed the data gathered is going to be of any scientific use to make new technology or is it just answering questions that make us go "oh, I wondered how that works, cool" like taking apart a radio without wanting to improve it just understand it.

[bahrains27]

The thing is that you can never say that anything will NEVER EVER EVER EVER happen, especially when it comes scientific discoveries, there is always a non-zero probability that **** might go wrong but the probability is very small.

Also I read somewhere that the Muons which shower the earth all the time form mini black holes which are more energetic then the ones which will be created in the LHC so there really isnt much to worry about.

I read that somewhere anyways.

Yea...lets just hope Mr. Tiny L Chance never gets all 5 numbers.

[Dvjkefdw]

So then its a multi-purpose device. Sadly enough I'm not a physics major. So what does that mean for us really? How useful do they expect this to be? How long are they estimating the device to be up-to-date and usable? Is it assumed the data gathered is going to be of any scientific use to make new technology or is it just answering questions that make us go "oh, I wondered how that works, cool" like taking apart a radio without wanting to improve it just understand it.

The LHC is reasonably multipurpose but since it's just a very high energy particle accelerator, coupled with a bunch of detectors, it's main areas of usefulness are within particle physics. It's unlikely that experiments conducted via the LHC will provide any immediate benefit towards the development of new technologies (although it probably will do for particle accelerators and detectors!). However, one shouldn't view such comments as being dismissive as to what other benefits the work will produce: the so-called Standard Model of matter has many implications and associations with dozens of other fields within physics, and so far the model has stood up very well to the huge amount of experimental testing it has received. Results from LHC tests will either help to reinforce the model, as well as offer new extensions to it or even, perhaps, show that certain aspects of the model are fundamentally wrong - all useful knowledge to have, I guess.

As for the LHC's longevity, well the LEP (which the LHC replaced) ran for 11 years - I should imagine that the new accelerator will probably run for longer than that, because the cost to upgrade/build an even higher energy level one would require decades to plan, design and fund before any kind of construction can take place (the go ahead for the LHC was back in 1995). However, although it'll be sometime before the main ring is replaced again, the LHC's capabilities will be upgraded sooner than that, by virtue of the fact that the injector systems will be overhauled and have their energy values increased.

[xgnuwdd]

Beyond the LHC the next future project is the ILC, which is a leptonic linear collider, in our department at uni we have been working on the Data Acquisition system for such a collider. This is all still in very early planning stage.

[QualityReachOut]

The LHC is reasonably multipurpose but since it's just a very high energy particle accelerator, coupled with a bunch of detectors, it's main areas of usefulness are within particle physics. It's unlikely that experiments conducted via the LHC will provide any immediate benefit towards the development of new technologies (although it probably will do for particle accelerators and detectors!). However, one shouldn't view such comments as being dismissive as to what other benefits the work will produce: the so-called Standard Model of matter has many implications and associations with dozens of other fields within physics, and so far the model has stood up very well to the huge amount of experimental testing it has received. Results from LHC tests will either help to reinforce the model, as well as offer new extensions to it or even, perhaps, show that certain aspects of the model are fundamentally wrong - all useful knowledge to have, I guess.

As for the LHC's longevity, well the LEP (which the LHC replaced) ran for 11 years - I should imagine that the new accelerator will probably run for longer than that, because the cost to upgrade/build an even higher energy level one would require decades to plan, design and fund before any kind of construction can take place (the go ahead for the LHC was back in 1995). However, although it'll be sometime before the main ring is replaced again, the LHC's capabilities will be upgraded sooner than that, by virtue of the fact that the injector systems will be overhauled and have their energy values increased.

I've seen things about the 'super lhc' which is an upgrade planned to increase the luminosity and possibly the energy.

[Dvjkefdw]

Yep - that will mostly come from upgrading the injector rings, rather than working on the LHC directly though.