[enlinnyGoob]

Glad to see you are ok!!!

My girlfriend had a nasty smash a few years back, truck smashed into the rear end of the ancient ford escort she had back then. Car was stationery and she walked out without a scratch, police said she was extremely lucky. Never seen her drive 1mph over the speed limit since, makes you wake up somewhat.

[TerriLS]

when I have kids they will be sensible enough to drive properly without having an accident to make them learn.

****

****? I'm sorry, but why do you think you can insult me?

I am realistic enough to know that teenager's confidence in their driving abilitie's leads to dangerous situations on occasion, and I hope their first crash is minor and they walk away with a great lesson on what went wrong.

I'm not just talking about street racing with friends. I'm talking about head checks and intersections.

I can take them out and teach them all the car control in the world, but that's not enough.

So I say again, ****?

[Diortarkivoff]

****? I'm sorry, but why do you think you can insult me?

I am realistic enough to know that teenager's confidence in their driving abilitie's leads to dangerous situations on occasion, and I hope their first crash is minor and they walk away with a great lesson on what went wrong.

I'm not just talking about street racing with friends. I'm talking about head checks and intersections.

I can take them out and teach them all the car control in the world, but that's not enough.

So I say again, ****?

so you think that letting your children have an accident and put others at risk so they can learn the hard way ?

behave matey, and yes your right some teenages feel that they are invinciable but to wait until they have a smash just to say:

"I told you to drive sensibly"

thats no way to approach the problem now is it.

my dad had a bad accident when he was younger he had to have 2 metal plates in his legs and bone from his hip grafted to his right leg to rebuild it.

that made me think twice about driving like a nutter.

but luckily these teen crazy drivers are in the minority, its the adult drivers who are the worst in my eyes becoming complacent and with less regard for others.

but yeah you cant really get that feeling of "im a good driver" out of new teenager drivers but equally the older drivers can be equally as overconfident in their abilities.

and another thing Ive noticed too.

these kids who have cars that have been "modified" they tend to drive reasonably carefully its the nob heads in novas with cheap gaffer taped on body kits that are the ones who drive like they are rally drivers.

its pretty obvious to me that these kids that spend all their pocket money on their cars to make them look nice drive their cars more carefully than some plonker driving a banger.

but of course there is the exception to the rule

has anyone else noticed this ?

[TerriLS]

so you think that letting your children have an accident and put others at risk so they can learn the hard way ?

behave matey, and yes your right some teenages feel that they are invinciable but to wait until they have a smash just to say:

"I told you to drive sensibly"

thats no way to approach the problem now is it.

my dad had a bad accident when he was younger he had to have 2 metal plates in his legs and bone from his hip grafted to his right leg to rebuild it.

that made me think twice about driving like a nutter.

but luckily these teen crazy drivers are in the minority, its the adult drivers who are the worst in my eyes becoming complacent and with less regard for others.

but yeah you cant really get that feeling of "im a good driver" out of new teenager drivers but equally the older drivers can be equally as overconfident in their abilities.

and another thing Ive noticed too.

these kids who have cars that have been "modified" they tend to drive reasonably carefully its the nob heads in novas with cheap gaffer taped on body kits that are the ones who drive like they are rally drivers.

its pretty obvious to me that these kids that spend all their pocket money on their cars to make them look nice drive their cars more carefully than some plonker driving a banger.

but of course there is the exception to the rule

has anyone else noticed this ?

When did I say I would say "I told you so"?

You obviously missed my point entirely [rolleyes] I would not mind my kids getting in a crash early on if everyone walked away. I believe it improves their chances of escaping the serious type, especially one that kills other people.
And no I do not find it's only kids in old beater's that drive like tools. The fatal accidents involving stupid behaviour usually involve those with high performance cars like the Nissan GTR, GTS-T or local V8's. If it's the parent's car or the parent paid for the car they drive even worse.

Years ago my best friend at the time killed an old retired couple while street racing his Holden V8. He spent 3 years working after school to save up for it and loved it. He got away with driving dangerously for too long, if he had had a minor crash earlier on he would have had a wake up call and not have ruined people's lives.

Hell your very own experience proves my point. You saw the result of a car losing control and it made you more careful.

Of course I doubt you will apologise for calling me a "****".

[Ikhqgvas]

i do beleive that having a bit of a knock will calm your driving down if your a new driver.

my mate went straight on at a corner which hes probably driving countless times and as a result hit a stone and pretty much wrote the car off, because its quite an old one. he suffered no injuries, but i think its made him take it slightly easier.

so maybe learning the hard way works. i cant wait to be driving again and i'll be interested to see how i drive. i've never been a risk taker though really, only ever putting my boot down on bigger roads, which is obviously where i crashed.

[avaiguite]

i do beleive that having a bit of a knock will calm your driving down if your a new driver.

my mate went straight on at a corner which hes probably driving countless times and as a result hit a stone and pretty much wrote the car off, because its quite an old one. he suffered no injuries, but i think its made him take it slightly easier.

so maybe learning the hard way works. i cant wait to be driving again and i'll be interested to see how i drive. i've never been a risk taker though really, only ever putting my boot down on bigger roads, which is obviously where i crashed.

when i had mine 3 years ago it made me more cautious when driving to start with but i am back to the same way before now

glad to hear you are ok as it looked a bit of a nasty one

[cymnPrayerm]

front chassis leg near side is bent from the photo - as it off side - that things a right off for sure


glad to see you walked away - any crash you can `walk` away from is a good one.

[Bemapayople]

Last night two of my brother's friends were in a bad crash. The driver got smashed up pretty bad. Broken ribs, pelvis and something else. The passenger didn't get hurt. Apparently they were racing some other car and lost control at about 120kph hitting a lightpole and an ad-sign. The car was a Mini Cooper S which was bought for him by his parents.[rolleyes] I hope they learned their lesson and I'm glad my brother had at least a pinch of intelligence not to go riding with them.

[KixdricyArrip]

front chassis leg near side is bent from the photo - as it off side - that things a right off for sure


glad to see you walked away - any crash you can `walk` away from is a good one.

Well, apart from a bent chassis leg, the body of the car is crumped as well, so safety is a bit compromised.

[KimLinbert]

Glad to hear you are OK(ish). Next time a bit slower OK?

[DebtDetox]

Wow, you had a pretty heavy crash there. Good to see you're still alive.

[cymnPrayerm]

Well, apart from a bent chassis leg, the body of the car is crumped as well, so safety is a bit compromised.

body work can be repaired , its not massively hard to panel beat it back - but the front slam bar etc is kinda missing as well :P

[Adeniinteme]

I agree with OHP's post.

The worse people I find who shouldn't be on the road is old business men and old people. We're talking 60+.

They never say thanks when you let them through and have less regard to other road users. Just today driving back to Nottingham from Twickenham, I was following a old woman in an old school Mini. She was doing 20mph in like a 40mph zone. [thumbdown] What's worse, was when we were at the lights, she was rolling back and I had to horn her to fricken' get her attention. I even had to shove it in reverse to avoid her hitting my car.

I'm one of those guy's who've spent quite a bit on their modifying it and I do agree with OHP. I actually drive really carefully because I don't want my car in the scrap yard with all the money I spent doing it up nicely. Plus, the other thing as well, is that I got pulled over for no insurance 2 years ago, so I'm really wary about my surroundings.

It also helps if you're not following friend's with high performance cars. I have 3 friend's who have a Civic Type R, Integra DC5 and a Mitsu FTO. All modified and fast as hell. I always find myself driving A LOT faster than I do when I'm with them than when I'm without.

[Seiblybiozy]

That looks really bad [shocked]

But at least you are ok...

[KixdricyArrip]

I agree with OHP's post.

The worse people I find who shouldn't be on the road is old business men and old people. We're talking 60+.

They never say thanks when you let them through and have less regard to other road users. Just today driving back to Nottingham from Twickenham, I was following a old woman in an old school Mini. She was doing 20mph in like a 40mph zone. [thumbdown] What's worse, was when we were at the lights, she was rolling back and I had to horn her to fricken' get her attention. I even had to shove it in reverse to avoid her hitting my car.

Oh i've seen worse - much worse, like an old lady driving a Fiat Seicento, signalling right coming towards a roundabout (which to clarify is a pretty blind roundabout too), but instead of actually going around it to go right, she turned to head into the wrong direction on the roundabout. [surrender] She's lucky she never got hit by another road user, because it was a busy little roundabout too.

But yeah, I agree with you - so many times i've come across largely old people going too slowly for the road's conditions which, IMO, is rather dangerous in many ways since it only causes frustration and people to become impatient. Needless to say I overtake if they're going too slowly and there's room to do it.

[Ikhqgvas]

ive broke my scapula, sternum and a finger. could be a lot worse though.

[Kissntell]

How did you manage to do that?

[DextExexy]

ohh nasty hope your doing ok dude

[Ikhqgvas]

lost it taking an exit off a dual-carridgeway. went into some trees.

[Diortarkivoff]

/cries