[ronaldasten]

You know, I've noticed alot of people on these forums making "blanket" generalizations and turning self opinions into fact. Just because you and a few of your "buddies" feel a certain way, doesnt make it a "landslide fact."

This goes for the forum's and for real life. Before you start making generalizations and unfounded facts, research the situation and provide real data/proof. Otherwise it is just your opinion, and in that case, realize that there are alot more people than just you.

As far as what Neeyik said about futuremark, I couldnt agree more:
-Free benchmarks
-Free online tools/comparisons
-Free forum with very good advice

I dont see alot of respect for this company and what it does for its "customers."

And yes, to the Naysayers, I have been with Futuremark, and used 3dmark benchmarks since 2000.

[Blahhhshsh]

And yes, to the Naysayers, I have been with Futuremark, and used 3dmark benchmarks since 2000.

Really, what user name did you post under before? You just got me curious.

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[ROYMANgo]

i assume yougamers has failed to acquire significant (or the expected) traffic, so FM is forcing onto the established FM community.

and having "yougamers" in the address eliminates a lot of daytime traffic. but whatever ... apparently they want folks to talk to their IT departments about it. what a complete joke.

"hey i'm trying to get to this website to read on some forums while i'm on the clock and should be doing work but i can't because it's related to computer gaming. can you fix that?"

the ads and now yougamers are eating away at what madonion was once upon a time.

[haittiweerved]

I guess it’s because the new name means people at work cannot post on the forms any more as it’s now blocked.

I can't access FM at all because of the 'gamers' part of yougamers. [thumbdown]

I didn't use to block when it forwarded but now websense has now blocked it completely. [yawn]

FM/Yougamers now caters to little kids now. Can't even browse the forums during a guy's lunchbreak ffs.

[Frierlovene]

My biggest complaint isn't the subforums (come on, they aren't THAT hard to find). Its the Yougamers crap that bugs me. FM made the mistake with that stupid site, and now are forcing its failure on FM. And as such, make it harder for for many people to use it. I know it won't get changed, but still want to make a point of it anyway..

[Blellurgews]

Ilike it just the way it is Hell if you want ART then goto a ART Forum

[Quaganoca]

has DROPPED dramatically with the futuremark.yougamers.com change. The key is the .yougamers part. You cannot access the forums any more at probably 85 % of all work places. Especially if your IT department has been sneaky enough to block proxy sites too, and allow application (VPN) installations only for admin accounts.

[Imihooniump]

i assume yougamers has failed to acquire significant (or the expected) traffic, so FM is forcing onto the established FM community.

and having "yougamers" in the address eliminates a lot of daytime traffic. but whatever ... apparently they want folks to talk to their IT departments about it. what a complete joke.

"hey i'm trying to get to this website to read on some forums while i'm on the clock and should be doing work but i can't because it's related to computer gaming. can you fix that?"

the ads and now yougamers are eating away at what madonion was once upon a time.

How is it FM's fault that you want to browse random internet sites when you should be working, which is after all what you're paid to do?

Fair enough if you're doing it during your lunch break or what ever but why expect sympathy when all you're doing is slacking off when you should be working?

[Baromaro]

i assume yougamers has failed to acquire significant (or the expected) traffic, so FM is forcing onto the established FM community.

Well if that's what you want to think, then think that - there's no point in discussing that further

My biggest complaint isn't the subforums (come on, they aren't THAT hard to find). Its the Yougamers crap that bugs me. FM made the mistake with that stupid site, and now are forcing its failure on FM. And as such, make it harder for for many people to use it. I know it won't get changed, but still want to make a point of it anyway.

Define failure. None of us were expected 20 million visitors per month from Day one - if you were, then your expectations were totally unrealistic. As for ourselves, we're happy enough with the progress: the top news gaming sites post our content, we have publishers and developers happy to give us exclusives; the iFrame GoM has been a massive success, even though we're kept its output quite down whilst it goes through a beta phase. There are new features and competitions, content and articles all coming along nicely. If that's a failure, then I'll be first in the queue to have "loser" stamped all over me.

[Goseciwx]

I take it you have access to the website statistics to prove your point?

Yeah, I hack in at least every month. I can't show you proof that I do or I will get in trouble.
As long as you don't have proof, I am ok!

vBulletin gives one considerably more tools, features, security, speed, stability than wwwthreads - the move was a no-brainer. And for somebody who's obviously hated the look of the forum since that change, you've done an awful lot of visiting and posting here since that time! Thats because it looks like all the other unprofessional forums that I go to.

For a place like this, I would much prefer a classy looking forum. That is my main complaint. From the old forums to this, imo, it was a step backward. If you do have more tools, and features in vBulletin, use them to make this place look nice!!!
Speed, I doubt that one. Ever since the move to vBulletin, I myself have noticed it being much slower at times. With the old forum, I never experienced this many slow downs on my end of things.

[Baromaro]

For a place like this, I would much prefer a classy looking forum. That is my main complaint. From the old forums to this, imo, it was a step backward. If you do have more tools, and features in vBulletin, use them to make this place look nice!!!

That's not really much to give the graphics team with "Guys, make the FM site look nice". Don't forget that the forum's look reflects the site's.

Speed, I doubt that one. Ever since the move to vBulletin, I myself have noticed it being much slower at times. With the old forum, I never experienced this many slow downs on my end of things. "Slower at times" should tell you that the speed issues you experienced cannot be down to the forum software used, as the difference would be a constant factor. I personally found the boards to be a lot perkier when the switch was made but given other factors would have altered at the same time, it's perhaps not sensible to claim that one software is faster than the other with such evidence. I'll retract that part then.

[ronaldasten]

Neeyik:

I know that it is your "job" to answer all questions and resolve issues with futuremark/yougamers....

But at this point they are just acting immature and ungratefull. Dont give them the satisfaction of your time/energy...I know this sounds rude but its just like a skipping record. They make an unfounded opinion based claim, and you disprove it...over...and over...and over...and over...enough is enough. If they dont like the site, they can leave.

Naysayers:

Yes, I have been around since september of 2000, I have had several names, if you HAVE to have them people then FINE:
-NeoAnti57
-Christek
-ChristianAKANeo

I didnt post much, spent most of my time in Mirc, and was gone for most of 2004-2006 because I was in the navy.....there you go.

[Trikaduliana]

Times change.. what's more to add.

eople are emotional, it's also an emotional event for the people who made it happen and also for the users. Some are happy, some aren't.

I'm just a bit tired of reading the samestuff again from the same people..
go moan somewhere else please.

It's fine by me the way it is.. find some place else if this ain't cutting anymore. And I know alot of people here have SYB forums as substitute.. so what's the problem??

Oh yeah the techies ran, yeah that's a shame, you think by altering the boards they come back??

edit: now im off watching Jackie Brown... im half way the movie already. [lol]

[Baromaro]

Oh yeah the techies ran

They pretty much "left" to start their own sites and forums, which is understandable really. I stopped doing the GamersHQ stuff and went to B3D; I didn't use the FM boards for around 6 months I think so it's not hard to see why the likes of, say, Macci stopped visiting.

[ROYMANgo]

How is it FM's fault that you want to browse random internet sites when you should be working, which is after all what you're paid to do?

Fair enough if you're doing it during your lunch break or what ever but why expect sympathy when all you're doing is slacking off when you should be working?

lol dude i don't read FM forums while at work ... i check dailytech every once in a while, but that's about it. i used to read FM at work, since we have no web filters etc, but any more i just don't care to visit all that often. however if you've read this thread you'll notice that quite a few people have said they can't read FM anymore at work because of the new address. your second paragraph is exactly my point. a FM mod said we should go tell our IT people to allow us to visit FM. that's hilarious (and completely out of touch with reality).

Besides, how is it our fault that somebody's employer or school uses webfilters on their intranets?

this attitude is almost funny. losing traffic is your loss, not ours. it's not your fault that employers use webfilters, but to ignore the fact and lose traffic as a result is just poor business sense and inconveniences those who wish to use your site.

your stance is analogous to making the website 1900 pixels wide, and saying "it's not our fault people don't use 24 inch wide screen monitors." just because it isn't your fault doesn't mean it isn't a poor decision. eh?

[Baromaro]

this attitude is almost funny. losing traffic is your loss, not ours. it's not your fault that employers use webfilters, but to ignore the fact and lose traffic as a result is just poor business sense and inconveniences those who wish to use your site.

Point taken on the loss of traffic but it doesn't seem to be, looking at the general statistics, to have been an issue. The webfilter problem is something that's out of our hands - sure, some companies/schools/etc will block out the forums because of the gamers part in the URL but that's their choice; if they don't wish for their employers/students/etc to be viewing websites that they feel is out of the fair use of their own systems, then should we try to manipulate our systems to bypass this?

Think of it this way, if somebody doesn't want anybody to view a site that has anything to do with games, do you think that they would feel any different about a discussion board that handles benchmarks, PCs, gaming, etc?

[CDCL7WKJ]

subforums seemed odd to me too @ the beginning, but it's pretty easy to get used to
second positive of the switch is the speed, finally no lags/slowdowns etc.
also it seems the place is more lively than before, with proper news section etc

people who complain repeatedly do it just for the sake of it imo

[Trikaduliana]

They pretty much "left" to start their own sites and forums, which is understandable really. I stopped doing the GamersHQ stuff and went to B3D; I didn't use the FM boards for around 6 months I think so it's not hard to see why the likes of, say, Macci stopped visiting.

Jackie Brown finished! [thumbup]
I like that movie, it's also discussable as reviews aren't always happy with it.

I used the wrong wording for my sentence... (ran instead left)
thanks for correcting me.

[Frierlovene]

Point taken on the loss of traffic but it doesn't seem to be, looking at the general statistics, to have been an issue. The webfilter problem is something that's out of our hands - sure, some companies/schools/etc will block out the forums because of the gamers part in the URL but that's their choice; if they don't wish for their employers/students/etc to be viewing websites that they feel is out of the fair use of their own systems, then should we try to manipulate our systems to bypass this?

Think of it this way, if somebody doesn't want anybody to view a site that has anything to do with games, do you think that they would feel any different about a discussion board that handles benchmarks, PCs, gaming, etc?

The second part of your question has already been answered though, by all those who have spoken up about being effected. I know my work gave no second thought to FM.Yeah, it had a section on gaming, but that wasn't what the site was about, and its not what the filters saw. But now, with this Yougamers tag, filters need look no further than the title to see a reason to block it, even though FM still has nothing to really do with gaming.

Honestly, i really don't see why FM was merged into YG. FM had the well established base, and YG had nothing (yes, i know it was still somewhat new, but in the end, it still wasn't doing well). The merge of FM into a useless site just make no sense. Things were good before the change, and there was no need to to change (the idea of not being broken, don't fix it..). This change has brought no benefits to any users; that is the point i think most people are trying to point out (though, many could be going about it in a more polite way...)

[haittiweerved]

The second part of your question has already been answered though, by all those who have spoken up about being effected. I know my work gave no second thought to FM.Yeah, it had a section on gaming, but that wasn't what the site was about, and its not what the filters saw. But now, with this Yougamers tag, filters need look no further than the title to see a reason to block it, even though FM still has nothing to really do with gaming.

Honestly, i really don't see why FM was merged into YG. FM had the well established base, and YG had nothing (yes, i know it was still somewhat new, but in the end, it still wasn't doing well). The merge of FM into a useless site just make no sense. Things were good before the change, and there was no need to to change (the idea of not being broken, don't fix it..). This change has brought no benefits to any users; that is the point i think most people are trying to point out (though, many could be going about it in a more polite way...)

I agree. FM has always been a hardware forum to me.

Not that anyone cares, but I've joined 2 other forums recently and I barely visit FM anymore. If FM were to disappear from my browser's recently viewed list, I probably wouldn't bother coming back here at all.

I love the people here. But I think FM is catering to a different audience now, perhaps a younger one. Oldtime FM'rs are in the minority.