[Tam04xa]

From what I have experienced, without any research, I say religion is bigger in the US. Statistically there are a lot of Christians in the UK, but I don't think many seem to be practice it in the slightest. It's as if they think they have to be to be able to celebrate Xmas. When an American reads an award acceptance speech they will often "thank God", but you don't often (or ever) hear a British person say that. It's marginal, but that's just my opinion.

[Corporal White]

You're the one doing the wriggling. I responded to EVERY point you made, and you replied by trying to pretend you were talking about something else.....

You've lost me. You're going to have to show me where I have gone off onto a different subject. Please post the conversation in a list as you see it.

[gariharrr]

You've lost me. You're going to have to show me where I have gone off onto a different subject. Please post the conversation in a list as you see it.

Are you sure you feel comfortable claiming that? I don't know many people that go to church, but I'm pretty sure a lot do!

In my experience, religion is handled in roughly the same way in America as in the UK. You have a few nutters, a few god-fearing folk, some atheist's, a load of Christians and a large helping of other world religions.

Yes I am.


Church attendances in the UK are way down, and falling. You already said you don't know anyone that goes, and neither do I (outside of weddings and funerals)



I don't think so. They had a big fuss over creationism v evolution being taught in schools over there, which wouldn't happen here; and there's the fact that religion is a big part of their political candidates' make-up. It would be more less impossible (or least very difficult) for an atheist to become President (so I've heard); no one here (or at least most people) don't care what David Cameron's religious persuasions are.

You're just guessing Bungle. Go away, get some facts and come back.

I came back with "facts" and you conveniently decided that wasn't what you meant at all.....

[Corporal White]

I came back with "facts" and you conveniently decided that wasn't what you meant at all.....

Church attendance being down has absolutely no impact on how people actually view religion!!

Phrases like "so I have heard" make it pretty obvious you are guessing lol. You even had to quote the word facts!

[WGRocky]

From what I have experienced, without any research, I say religion is bigger in the US. Statistically there are a lot of Christians in the UK, but I don't think many seem to be practice it in the slightest. It's as if they think they have to be to be able to celebrate Xmas. When an American reads an award acceptance speech they will often "thank God", but you don't often (or ever) hear a British person say that. It's marginal, but that's just my opinion.

It certainly is, but once the baby-boomer generation dies off, I expect the number of those who actively practice a religion will reduce significantly. Then politicians will have a whole new demographic to pander to.

[DoctorTOneery]

Not really sure how a thread about a News reporter with terribad tact turned into church and people attendance there. You guys got skill I will give you that.

[Cofeeman]

Not really sure how a thread about a News reporter with terribad tact turned into church and people attendance there. You guys got skill I will give you that.

But get this, if it was a Chris thread everyone off topic would get an infraction

[DoctorTOneery]

But get this, if it was a Chris thread everyone off topic would get an infraction

Oh snap son!

[esdfsdflast]

I came back with "facts" and you conveniently decided that wasn't what you meant at all.....

Either your doing this to piss him off, or you are incredibly stupid.... Nothing anyone says, let alone DM, goes into your brain. You have no comprehension beyond your own views and beliefs. You are going to get nowhere in life with your attitude.

I know what the exact response to this will be, but FFS, read what he is saying, and think about it. He has a point. Just because people are not going to church quite as much does not mean that they have stopped believing. Maybe the older generation (a lot of them) can't get to the church as they can't afford the taxi / bus fare.... ****ING THINK ABOUT IT!!!! Frustrating little boy.

[CIAFreeAgent]

derp

Wait a minute, aren't you one of those people who runs around complaining about people arguing? Hypocrite.

[gariharrr]

Church attendance being down has absolutely no impact on how people actually view religion!!

Phrases like "so I have heard" make it pretty obvious you are guessing lol. You even had to quote the word facts!

Are you actually taking any notice of what I've been posting?? You asked for facts and I gave them to you. Are you really that stupid? It's pretty obvious to any idiot, who takes notice of wtf is going on, that in America religion is a bigger thing than here. Someone mentioned about just posting to piss someone off. That's exactly what you're doing...,

You also accused me if starting an argument, but its not me that's doing that its YOU.

Either your doing this to piss him off, or you are incredibly stupid.... Nothing anyone says, let alone DM, goes into your brain. You have no comprehension beyond your own views and beliefs. You are going to get nowhere in life with your attitude.

I know what the exact response to this will be, but FFS, read what he is saying, and think about it. He has a point. Just because people are not going to church quite as much does not mean that they have stopped believing. Maybe the older generation (a lot of them) can't get to the church as they can't afford the taxi / bus fare.... ****ING THINK ABOUT IT!!!! Frustrating little boy.

Why don't YOU read what I'M saying because you obviously have no clue.

Everything I read goes "into my brain" but I'm not going to change my opinion and say the opposite if what I've been saying just because people like you tell me to. If that pisses you off, good.

The trouble with this forum is that it's full of people who can't handle someone having a different opinion from their own; then the insults start. Pathetic.

[Corporal White]

Everything I read goes "into my brain" but I'm not going to change my opinion and say the opposite if what I've been saying just because people like you tell me to. If that pisses you off, good.

This explains everything.

[gariharrr]

This explains everything.

Ah, so you're pissed off because I won't think exactly what you think. Nice.

Anyway I'm done with thread. I've better things to do than get into ridiculous arguments with the FM thought controllers.

[esdfsdflast]

Oh my ****ing god. Stick to playing your train simulator, normal conversation is just not suited to you. You didn't understand a single word of what i typed or what DM has been typing. Keep hanging on to those facts about lower attendance figures in church's.

You have no comprehension beyond your own views and beliefs.

[Plaumpholavup]

i skimmed the posts so could have missed it, but i don't think there is anything wrong with thinking anything - it is just that you seem to believe what you believe based on poor quality sources like youtube.

i doubt very much that is why you believe americans are more religious but it lets them press your buttons about it.

[esdfsdflast]

Ah, so you're pissed off because I won't think exactly what you think. Nice.

Anyway I'm done with thread. I've better things to do than get into ridiculous arguments with the FM thought controllers.

NO HE ISN'T FFS!!!!!! It's because you won't understand anything else that he said after your stupid pointless facts!!!!!!!

[Gymngatagaica]

He has a point. Just because people are not going to church quite as much does not mean that they have stopped believing. This thread is cracking me up but to add my 2 pennies worth, I'm actually leaning more towards Bungle's point of view (did I actually just type that)?

You're right, people may not go to church and may still believe in a God. To me, 'Belief' and 'Religion' are not the same thing (there's a bloody large overlap in a lot of cases I'll give you that), but if we are strictly talking about religion, then I would argue that Church attendance is a fundamental part of that. It is where you would listen to readings of scripture etc. specific to your chosen religion. The fact that Church attendance is down in the UK (http://www.whychurch.org.uk/trends.php) shows (again, in my opinion) that people view Religion as being less important than it used to be. They may still have a belief in a God, or a Deity; they may even class themselves as Christian, but there interest, or there assessment of the importance, of that Religion is less than it was.

[gariharrr]

NO HE ISN'T FFS!!!!!! It's because you won't understand anything else that he said after your stupid pointless facts!!!!!!!

Do us all a favour and go and have a lie down for a few hours; then you (and he) can come back and might be able to post something that actually makes some sort of sense, and isn't an incoherent rant.

That's all I have say.

[Corporal White]

Ah, so you're pissed off because I won't think exactly what you think. Nice.

No, my point was that you just admitted that you refuse to change your mind once it's made up. That kind of pig-headedness is what gets you into so many pickles on here.

In the history of conversation, nobody has ever enjoyed an encounter with someone who is like that.

It started off with me asking you if you were sure about your facts and immediately you shut down and went into "I'M RIGHT, I'M RIGHT, I'M RIGHT" mode.

[Fuerfsanv]

Church attendance being down has absolutely no impact on how people actually view religion!!

While church attendance is hardly a conclusive metric on how people view religion, I think it's fair to say it is an indicator of its relative priority in people's lives.

There is some irony in the difference between the UK and US on religion. In the UK, as you know, the official state religion is Church of England and there is still a certain amount of prejudice and sensitivity around Catholicism - I remember the stink about it when Blair converted, not to mention the outright abuse of Catholics around the country; Liverpool, Glasgow, even my home town of Leicester it wasn't something you boasted about. And yet, despite having a state religion and some archaic laws concerning the Royal Family and Catholicism, and over 600 years of religious fanaticism, the UK is no doubt far more secular than the US.

And why is that ironic? Because in the US, there is an official separation of Church and State, no formal State religion and the country was virtually founded for and because of religious freedom; including freedom from religion.

The lesson here? If you want something to flourish, don't force it down people's throats.