[Scfdglkn]

**** off.

So you're happy to debate until you're outmanoeuvred? LOL.

[JMLot]

So you're happy to debate until you're outmanoeuvred? LOL.

Ad hominem attacks ad infinitum... so lame.

[Scfdglkn]

Ad hominem attacks ad infinitum... so lame.

A logical fallacy attacks forever? Is that really what you were going for?

[JMLot]

A logical fallacy attacks forever? Is that really what you were going for?

If you look up now, you might be able to see the joke flying by.

[Scfdglkn]

If you look up now, you might be able to see the joke flying by.

All I can see is your mothers titties swinging in my face.

[ZX3URrBH]

So you're happy to debate until you're outmanoeuvred? LOL.

Hardly.

I just realized that you just came in here with Will to gang up on me and try to destroy my argument without even debating the very argument.

Two things make your claim null and void.

Most gun violence occurs in inner city ghetto's, as someone else stated, this has been declining for a while now, as are other types of violent crime. What does that have anything to do with it. Are we going to selectively pick and choose areas in the country and not others ? Just for the sake of propping up an already shaky argument ?

Secondly, and most importantly, the majority of people in this country have decided that the potential risks are outweighed by the benefit of having the option to own and enjoy firearms.
So the facility to own and enjoy firearms outweighs having a gun violence rate which is at least 6.5 more than other comparable countries, right ? You do realise that this whole thread stemmed from concern a poster had for violence in the neighbourhood he is considering moving into. Is that what you call freedom ?

Collectively most of us think that it's worthwhile to have the liberty, so using other cultures that are far more restrictive with much more governmental oversight in day-to-day life for comparison is like comparing tree's to oranges. The only liberty you seem to have is the ability to kill each other off easily.

Also, stating a fact is not a personal attack, you have posted things previously that show you do not understand the culture here and are not in possession of the facts on this topic. Whatever you stated before doesn't dispute my post. It seems customary on FM to dish out a few personal attacks and insults, just for the **** of it. I posted my opinions and also included references. You still haven't explained how having a massive legal firearms market has no effect on your similarly inflated firearm homicide/violence rate. Which if I may remind is at best 6.5 times the rate of comparable countries and at worst 19.5 times. Source : http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abst...irearm.35.aspx /end of

[Scfdglkn]

I just realized that you just came in here with Will to gang up on me and try to destroy my argument without even debating the very argument.

Don't play that card. I give Will as much grief as anyone else and vice versa. My points were all better than his, anyway.

[ZX3URrBH]

Don't play that card. I give Will as much grief as anyone else and vice versa. My points
were all better than his, anyway.

I'm not playing any card. You managed to divert the whole discussion from what was currently being discussed by trying to ridicule my persona rather than challenging me on my statements.

And you even have the gall to do it on a subject which apparently, you don't even seem have an opinion about.

[Scfdglkn]

And you even have the gall to do it on a subject which apparently, you don't even seem have an opinion about.

I do! I think you're wrong.

[CIAFreeAgent]

So the facility to own and enjoy firearms outweighs having a gun violence rate which is at least 6.5 more than other comparable countries, right ? You do realise that this whole thread stemmed from concern a poster had for violence in the neighbourhood he is considering moving into. Is that what you call freedom ?

More importantly, please show how this is not an example of freedom?

The thread stemmed from someone asking what they can do to mitigate the potential downsides to living in a more dangerous neighborhood, how you think this backs up anything you have said is beyond me.


Basically, as it stands, you're playing the part of a bad neighbor, staring out the window at the next house over and making moral judgements on events that do not in any meaningful way affect your life.

Sadly you missed that point, and how it makes your opinion on the matter irrelevant.

What does that have anything to do with it. Are we going to selectively pick and choose areas in the country and not others ? Just for the sake of propping up an already shaky argument ?

What shaky argument? That people in this country are willing to take the absurdly low, even if statistics make it seem otherwise, chance of being shot for the sake of having the liberty to own a firearm if they so wish?

How is that a shaky argument?

It's clearly an objective fact.

I'll get back to this later, I have to sleep.

[Rnlvifov]

Why are gun homicide rates in the US almost 20 times higher in the US than other high income modern countries ?

http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abst...irearm.35.aspx

The only issue with those numbers, they are misleading. What countries are they comparing them to? Nations that have banned firearms, so have extremely low homicides by firearms to begin with? So yea, the percentages are huge, but then we are still talking about extremely small numbers.
In 2010, 8700 people died from firearms in the USA. That is 4x less then that of car accidents.
In 2010, in my state, 219 people died from firearms. YTD, over 700 have died from car accidents in my state.


I just hate how guns are viewed as evil and a serious problem when it is far from it. When it compares to preventive stuff that kills people, Im sure it is near the bottom of the list.
Worse threats exist in smoking, alcohol, improper driving, personal health, suicide, accidents, etc. This stuff not only effects the user, but also people around you, family, etc.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm
There are a lot of pdfs here. Firearm deaths don't even make up the top 15 list.

Yeah, I'd love to see a decline in firearm deaths without taking them away, and a continuation of a decline in firearm deaths, but I just don't like how it is the escape goat when there are much larger problems at hand with ever increasing in yearly death rate that can be prevented.


It is just something that society needs to accept and get over, just like alcohol. Deaths caused by alcohol is ENORMOUS compared to firearms. Yet when you get pulled over with a DUI, you get a slap on the wrist.

[Elelaytet]

I do! I think you're wrong.

Care to elaborate on why you think he's wrong?

For once, I'd like to see you debate issues rather than debating the debate. The curmudgeonly contrarian act is starting to wear thin.

[ZX3URrBH]

The only issue with those numbers, they are misleading. What countries are they comparing them to? Nations that have banned firearms, so have extremely low homicides by firearms to begin with? So yea, the percentages are huge, but then we are still talking about extremely small numbers.

Are you serious ?

You're resting your whole argument on the assertion that the numbers are misleading because they include other countries who have actually banned firearms long ago ?

What did expect ?

The only country sitting on the (Modern countries where guns are legal) chart would be the USA.

[Scfdglkn]

Care to elaborate on why you think he's wrong?

Nope, it just ends up with people nitpicking until they manage to find something to latch onto and turn into a huge argument.

[Elelaytet]

Nope, it just ends up with people nitpicking until they manage to find something to latch onto and turn into a huge argument.

Or you just don't know enough about the subject to converse about it. Typical and convenient.

[JMLot]

Nope, it just ends up with people nitpicking until they manage to find something to latch onto and turn into a huge argument.

Wait, are you talking about Reactivator or Sparafucil? ... Or Bungle?

[Scfdglkn]

Or you just don't know enough about the subject to converse about it. Typical and convenient.

Only you could pick a fight with apathy.

--- Post Update ---

Wait, are you talking about Reactivator or Sparafucil? ... Or Bungle?

Yes...

[Laqswrnm]

lol at all of this,

as to OP:

New city, new start. As far as where you live, you get what you pay for, as I see you are noticing. Make friends. Go places with them. Meet them at their place and either ride with them or follow them. They know the right way to get to places. The safer routes. Learn from those with knowledge. Did you ever leave the resort area when you were in mexico? If so, act like then when you are on walking in places you feel uncomfortable. Try and look comfortable, and keep moving at night... the usual be safe techniques. New friends are your best route, though.

Buy some of these for your doors http://www.homedepot.com/buy/master-...l#.UFjiRo2PWZQ and you will know they are coming for sure.

[SueveDobe]

lol at all of this,

as to OP:

New city, new start. As far as where you live, you get what you pay for, as I see you are noticing. Make friends. Go places with them. Meet them at their place and either ride with them or follow them. They know the right way to get to places. The safer routes. Learn from those with knowledge. Did you ever leave the resort area when you were in mexico? If so, act like then when you are on walking in places you feel uncomfortable. Try and look comfortable, and keep moving at night... the usual be safe techniques. New friends are your best route, though.

Buy some of these for your doors http://www.homedepot.com/buy/master-...l#.UFjiRo2PWZQ and you will know they are coming for sure.

I might buy one of those. The apartment I have at the top of my list has an alarm system and it's in a decent area. I'm not too worried about the drive to and from work, just the time it takes. The traffic would be heavy enough that nobody is gonna mess with me.

[iceleliewBync]

Argh, seems like every thread I look at is just the same ****wits having dumbass offtopic arguments that go on well beyond the point of being remotely funny.