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bikersfan 08-18-2012 10:23 AM

Fracking!
 
A month or two ago, anti-fracking was all the rage on facebook from the liberals.

occurrini 08-18-2012 10:29 AM

I know nothing about fracking but I'm assuming it's awesome just because liberals are against it. serious.

zooworms 08-18-2012 11:01 AM

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Then again we should all just go full nuclear anyway.
Can't. Liberals.


Nuclear power, GMO, etc. Liberals are the new Luddites.

darieBarexish 08-18-2012 11:06 AM

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Can't. Liberals.


Nuclear power, GMO, etc. Liberals are the new Luddites.
You should probably get over this idea that theres a group called liberals who all think the same thing.

TritteTouff 08-18-2012 11:10 AM

That article sounds like it was written by a cheerleader. Is she hot?

SergeyLisin 08-18-2012 02:05 PM

I'm not one to frack and tell.

KlaraNovikoffaZ 08-18-2012 03:28 PM

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yup it's true, people hate fraking because it's not the result of environmental regulationn.

only pussified liberals want things like clean drinking water!



and earthquakes, when did one of those ever hurt anyone?
1. EnCana has put forth several statements severely criticizing the Pavillion report at EnCana.com. . Main criticisms seem to include that the water monitoring wells were drilled into a known natural gas prone area and zone so it's no surprise they found natural gas there. ( this has been a consistent issue for industry. Where people say industry activity introduces natural gas into a water reservoir when it was naturally occurring beforehand. That's why industry typically does water testing before , during and after their activities.. So they can assess if there are impacts on the water). EnCana Also claims that the EPA found chemicals tht EnCana did not use and also found contaminants in a relatively large number of their quality control samples. ( highly purified water which is tested to see if their are any issues with their sampling and testing methods.)

2. Earthquakes.. While a connection based on timing appears to exist, these is not yet much proof as to causation. Three decades of data is really nothing in geological terms and most of these earthquakes are not discernable without modern instrumentation. ... So we truly have very limited data. Personally I am concerned about this one as " don't know" is just that. The spike in seismic activity is something to investigate.

daasayse 08-18-2012 04:23 PM

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...resulting in some of the lowest CO2 emissions in 20 years.
I suspect the recession has had a little something to do with that.

economex 08-18-2012 04:57 PM

I notice that a lot of these fracking "earthquakes" are less than 3.0 magnitude. That's roughly similar to a fat girl taking up tap-dancing.

slowlexrese 08-18-2012 05:30 PM

Just as an aside, earthquakes are a likely outcome whenever you push fluid under pressure into the ground. Like, when you build dams. Fluids get pushed into old faults and lubricate them, causing earthquakes (because they can slide easier) of considerably lower magnitude (because they can slide easier). There is nothing new here.

zttrftwsq 08-18-2012 05:39 PM

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Maybe something to do with it, but reduced car usage and energy usage could not possibly account for most of that dip.
http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...secretanim.gif Manufacturing output...

allvideO 08-18-2012 05:44 PM

Here we go:

In a little-noticed technical report, the U.S. Energy Information Agency, a part of the Energy Department, said this month that energy related U.S. CO2 emissions for the first four months of this year fell to about 1992 levels. Energy emissions make up about 98 percent of the total. The Associated Press contacted environmental experts, scientists and utility companies and learned that virtually everyone believes the shift could have major long-term implications for U.S. energy policy.

While conservation efforts, the lagging economy and greater use of renewable energy are factors in the CO2 decline, the drop-off is due mainly to low-priced natural gas, the agency said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-16-22-39-40

nofkayalk 08-18-2012 05:53 PM

There's not a lot of fracking going on in Ontario HC...

valentinesdayyy 08-18-2012 06:04 PM

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No but it seems you believe that everything that helps the environment that is a result of enormous government intervention must be evil, which puts you in the same league as Speer. Congrats ! http://www.discussworldissues.com/im...ons/icon14.gif
This.

ChrisGoldstein 08-18-2012 06:07 PM

Since you have more enthusiasm for this than me....

See if you can find some power consumption numbers for the same time period.

M_Marked 08-18-2012 06:16 PM

I'm not so hard on HC. He's a good boy.

I too was pretty ideologically rigid when I was a student and knew everything.

tgs 08-18-2012 06:21 PM

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This could be a complete misunderstanding on my part, but I understood they were refusing to provide full breakdowns to the regulators as well. It's understandable if its just not wanting to give trade secrets to competitors, but surely the people monitoring the industry need to know that stuff?
I'm not certain, but I believe the Freedom of Information Act would effectively give competitors access to that same information.

rozalinasi 08-18-2012 08:32 PM

Asher is only saying that as a shill for Albertan oil.

FsQGF1Mp 08-18-2012 08:41 PM

Still butthurt over your econ thrashing the other day? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.gif

Shootohoist 08-18-2012 08:53 PM

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I know nothing about fracking but I'm assuming it's awesome just because liberals are against it. serious.
If you want to drink toxic water, that is your choice. Just don't force the rest of us to drink toxic water.


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