[ballerturfali]

Letting the child pick its religion . Parents should be made to rear their children as agnostics and provide them access to different religious views.

[JasminBerkova]

Several Religions forbid/ dont condone Circumcision I recall the Amish forbid it, while Hinduism and Buddhism don't do it.

Also: The Navajo Nation believes that they are put on the earth the way that they are intended to be. No man would disrupt the spiritual harmony of the family by having circumcision performed on his child.(wiki)

[haudraufwienix]

Excellent. ****ing savages.

[unioneserry]

You Germans just can't help hating Jews, can you?

QFT. Nazis

[ManHolDenPoker]

For something this trivial, they really ought to err on the side of religious liberty. Not that I'd ever do it to my kid--ouch! But it doesn't much matter. Lower AIDS risk vs. ostensibly higher sexual pleasure (which could conceivably make you climax sooner, which isn't exactly desirable) vs. it's part of his body vs. so's his appendix...

[Lerpenoaneway]

This is awful. Don't they know that circumcision reduces your risk of contracting HIV by 0.5%???

Studies done in Africa show that the risk reduction is more like 50%.

[Wsjltrhe]

Studies done in Africa show that the risk reduction is more like 50%.

If circumcised men start thinking they don't have to worry about HIV, watch that figure fall fast.

[j2Y6Ysmb]

Studies in Africa had a fatal flaw. The ones who underwent religious circumcision came from groups that had strong taboos against pre and extra marital sex and forbade drugs and alcohol. It would be like studying the Amish and saying, "They have beards and almost a 0% HIV rate. All men must grow beards."

Note: I have a beard and don't have HIV.

African muslims may have a problem with drugs and alcohol, but they definitely don't have a problem with extra-marital sex. Remember, if discovered it's the woman who gets punished.

[BluewayAllere]

Studies done in Africa show that the risk reduction is more like 50%.

With unprotected sex. With a condom on it's nil.

Why give people more of an excuse?

As a side note, how many men actually contract HIV from women? For some reason this also only applies to heterosexuals. 14 studies have all shown that for MSM, there's no impact.

[DeedPatmeda]

BTW, I thought recent studies showed this is also only really true of people circumcised as adults (due to extra scar tissue, etc).

[aaaaaaahabbbby]

Um, it sounds like he killed himself due to doctors insisting that he was a girl now, among other things. Generally it appears his whole life was messed up, what with him being a guinea pig for experiments about learned gender identity or something.

[blogforlovxr]

Yes. And why did that happen?

Why did he kill himself? Because his wife wanted to leave him? Because suicide was in his family history- his identical twin brother had already done it? I guess this proves that having a brother with a botched circumcision also causes you to kill yourself?

[mralabama]

So apparently someone started with the exact same DNA but didn't have a botched penis, and was raised by the same parents, but he still killed himself.

[Falik]

Well, your one extreme isolated case has certainly convinced me.

[machpamb]

Yes, he was schizophrenic.

Is your position if one twin kills himself, so will the other?

I don't know how he would have turned out without the botched penis. All I'm saying is the closest thing we have to that hypothetical person killed himself even sooner. Really I don't consider this a sufficient basis for arresting Jews who live according to their religion and putting them in prisons.

[CHyLmxDr]

I don't know how he would have turned out without the botched penis. All I'm saying is the closest thing we have to that hypothetical person killed himself even sooner.

Arguably he was a victim of his brother's botched circumcision as well.

Did you hear what the evil American doctor made him do?

[katespepach]

Just provide the figures, Asher, and for the sake of the present argument I'll assume they're correct. I am NOT clicking on a link to a site dedicated to penis-mangling outrage.

[Noxassope]

Just the facts, man. Or in this case, the figures.

[ElcinBoris]

Unpleasant, but provided the parents are informed of the risks I can live with that.

[rxnixoncom]

Because the effect is minuscule and hundreds of millions of men live out full, healthy lives not giving a damn that it happened to them.

And some live out lives suffering from complications.

Edit: Note to self, read thread first, then reply.