[agiopwer]

Are people morally obligated to take every opportunity to make a baby? No, there's a difference between "being open towards procreation", and "taking every opportunity to do so." There's nothing wrong with choosing to abstain to give you and your wife a break.

[jeraveike]

Pregnancy needs to be decoupled from being a woman so that pro-choice people can stop pretending abortion is a women's rights issue.

How is abortion NOT a women's rights issue?

Since masturbation is not being open to procreation, what are other people's thoughts on masturbation?

[soprofaxel]

Doesn't matter, really. Suppose you have stage four cancer--every part of your body is riddled with malignant tumors, doctors say it's amazing you're even alive now. You're going to die soon, one way or another. But if I shoot you in the head, legally, I'm still a murderer, no? And no moral system I know of disagrees, unless you more or less ask me to.

Sure, but shooting a healthy ten year old in the head would be worse.

[tooratrack]

Sure, but shooting a healthy ten year old in the head would be worse.

Yes, and many of the more enlightened states are changing their laws to reflect this. Here in MD, for example, we now base our homicide sentences on a 2d20 roll using the victim and perps' charisma and a set of actuarial tables. There are still some bugs to iron out--like the way only Whites get a saving throw against the DP, it's a racial trait and we've gotten some complaints about balance--but all in all, it works out okay.

[TaxSheemaSter]

I agree, but consider this. If the vast majority of all pregnancies that end prematurely do so because of -- when you get right down to it -- imperfect medical science, wouldn't it make sense for pro-life people to campaign harder for reducing the odds of miscarriage than reducing the number of abortions?

How would they go about doing that? And by the same token, I hear swimming pool accidents kill more kids than firearms; shouldn't the gun-control crowd be campaigning against backyard pools instead?

[Ztcgtqvb]

The same way they do it now: lobbying Congress.

Yes, but how exactly are we going to prevent women from miscarrying at the point where they don't even know they're pregnant?

[Cersdog]

How would they go about doing that? And by the same token, I hear swimming pool accidents kill more kids than firearms; shouldn't the gun-control crowd be campaigning against backyard pools instead?

Obviously the answer is more guns capable of being fired underwater being provided to the marketplace. Problem solved

[bestworkother]

Well, if your religion told you abortion is bad and people must be pressured into not having them then why would you question that approach?

[QQ9ktYrV]

Do you spend your (not actually addressing you here) free time standing outside abortion clinics waving signs around and yelling People picket businesses that they find objectionable. Unions do that all the time. Nobody seems to be bothered with it unless it's abortion clinics. Why is that?

[Larisochka]

Unions don't bother anyone? Are you serious? SEIU etc are all publicly funded, and that doesn't seem to bother folks. So not only do they picket non-union businesses, they use your taxpayer dollars to fund their political activity.

[funnyPasds]

SEIU etc are all publicly funded, and that doesn't seem to bother folks. So not only do they picket non-union businesses, they use your taxpayer dollars to fund their political activity.

Publicly funded? I'm guessing the reason "that doesn't seem to bother folks" is that the government isn't actually writing them a check.

[dmitrynts]

There's a difference between miscarriage - which isn't chosen and abortion, which is. Something that is deliberate ought to be the focus for their activities. Do you not see this, Lori?

If medical technology could prevent miscarriage then in the long run miscarriages are chosen.

[TCjwwhcY]

A meteor is heading toward the Earth. It's going to destroy all life on the planet. You can (a) help pregnant women to the spaceship that will fly them to safety or (b) stand outside an abortion clinic and yell at pregnant women. What do you do? Terrible example.

Better one.

There's a serial killer and a string of traffic fatalities. As a homocide investigator, which case do you take?

Yell at the pregnant women at the abortion clinic to get on the spaceship?

[LoveTTatall]

You, sir, are full of horsecrap.

Wow, way to twist Gribbler's quote in your signature. You're a ****-eating whore. Back on the list you go.

[paydayus]

You, sir, are full of horsecrap.

If society can eliminate miscarriages through making certain decisions about what to research, then in the long run society can choose to get rid of miscarriages. Clearly people have made choices that have led to miscarriages that didn't have to happen. So it's a fallacy to claim society should write off miscarriages as involuntary and focus all resources on preventing abortions.