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Old 05-23-2012, 05:09 PM   #1
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Default A very expensive Hypocratic Oath
He swore an oath to inadequate government, you say? Well, that describes Pakistan's government as well as any other, so I don't see what the problem is.
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:46 PM   #2
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He was being hypocritical?
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:53 PM   #3
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I of course meant the Pakistani governement...

But yes, according to some vaccination is all a big terrist plot to overthrow our free will...
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Old 05-23-2012, 05:58 PM   #4
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Pakistan makes me yearn for our alliance with Uncle Joe.
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:58 PM   #5
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:00 PM   #6
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If you read the story link.
Senior U.S. officials have called for Afridi to be released, saying his work served Pakistani and American interests.
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:13 PM   #7
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If you read the story link.
Show me a quote from President "Spiking the Football" Obama demanding action on this issue. This is especially important given that it was apparently his admin that exposed the guy in the first place.
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:16 PM   #8
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Show me a quote from President "Spiking the Football" Obama demanding action on this issue. This is especially important given that it was apparently his admin that exposed the guy in the first place.
I agree that the president should step up. Your initial comment was relative silence from the US government I think 'senior US officials' is more than relative silence but I 100% agree with you that more is owed.
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:10 PM   #9
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Since I agree that the administration should be stepping up considerably more, I don't feel the need to continue to argue the use of the term relative with you. I heard Hillary saying he should be released but, in line with what you're saying, she didn't use the word demand or anything that stern.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:58 PM   #10
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Yeah, if strippers can pretend that you're sexy for 100 bucks, the Paki's could at least pretend to be our allies for a billion.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:16 PM   #11
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Since I agree that the administration should be stepping up considerably more, I don't feel the need to continue to argue the use of the term relative with you. I heard Hillary saying he should be released but, in line with what you're saying, she didn't use the word demand or anything that stern.
I'm not sure that aggressive posturing will secure his release. They probably consider keeping him in jail a matter of national pride and won't let him out unless we either convince them that he acted in Pakistan's interests or manage to scare the hell out of them.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:24 PM   #12
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Yeah, if strippers can pretend that you're sexy for 100 bucks, the Paki's could at least pretend to be our allies for a billion.
The Pakistanis have been pretending to be our allies for decades; that's the problem. The bigger problem is that we keep falling for it.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:37 PM   #13
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True, true.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:43 PM   #14
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As long as they've got nukes, and the alternative to the current regime is a batsh*t crazy Islamicist revolution, I think they can keep grinding away at our laps while telling us not to touch for as long as our supply of dollar bills holds out.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:20 AM   #15
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Pretty sure the doctor is feeling like that wrt the US atm given the relative silence from the US government in reference to his fate.
Do you live in a cave?

Senate committee cuts Pakistan aid over conviction
By DONNA CASSATA, Associated Press – 41 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — A Senate panel expressed its outrage Thursday over Pakistan's conviction of a doctor who helped the United States track down Osama bin Laden, voting to cut aid to Islamabad by $33 million — $1 million for every year of the physician's 33-year sentence for high treason.
The punitive move came on top of deep reductions the Appropriations Committee already had made to President Barack Obama's budget request for Pakistan, a reflection of the growing congressional anger over its cooperation in combatting terrorism. The overall foreign aid budget for next year had slashed more than half of the proposed assistance and threatened further reductions if Islamabad failed to open overland supply routes to U.S.-led NATO forces in Afghanistan.
Pushing aside any diplomatic talk, Republicans and Democrats criticized Pakistan a day after the conviction in Pakistan of Shakil Afridi. The doctor ran a vaccination program for the CIA to collect DNA and verify bin Laden's presence at the compound in Abbottabad where U.S. commandos found and killed the al-Qaida leader in May 2011.
"We need Pakistan, Pakistan needs us, but we don't need Pakistan double-dealing and not seeing the justice in bringing Osama bin Laden to an end," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who pushed for the additional cut in aid.
He called Pakistan "a schizophrenic ally," helping the United States at one turn, but then aiding the Haqqani network which has claimed responsibility for several attacks on Americans. The group also has ties to al-Qaida and the Taliban.
"It's Alice in Wonderland at best," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. "If this is cooperation, I'd hate like hell to see opposition."
One of the most forceful statements came from Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who also serves as the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. She pointed out that Pakistan has suffered at the hands of terrorists yet misconstrued what is treason in convicting Afridi. She also insisted that Afridi was not a spy.
"This conviction says to me that al-Qaida is viewed by the court to be Pakistan," said Feinstein, who said it made her rethink U.S. assistance.
The Appropriations Committee approved Graham's amendment to cut the assistance by $33 million on a 30-0 vote. The full Senate will vote on the overall bill, possibly this summer.
At the State Department, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the United States believes Afridi should be released.
"His help was instrumental in taking down one of the world's most notorious murderers that was clearly in Pakistan's interest as well as ours and the rest of the world," Clinton told reporters, adding that the United States will continue to press the issue with Islamabad.
In crafting the overall legislation, the committee reduced Obama's request to aid Pakistan by 58 percent as resentment and doubts linger on Capitol Hill a year after bin Laden was killed deep inside Pakistan. Tensions between Washington and Islamabad have increased as Pakistan closed overland supply routes to Afghanistan after a U.S. attack on the Pakistani side of the border killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November.
The United States and Pakistan failed to resolve the issue at the recent NATO summit in Chicago.
The congressional anger over the conviction and the supply routes extended to the Senate Armed Services Committee, which completed a $631.4 billion defense budget Thursday. The panel added a provision stipulating that before Pakistan can be reimbursed with coalition funds, the secretary of defense must certify that Pakistan is opening and maintaining the supply routes, is not supporting the Haqqani network, and not detaining or imprisoning Pakistani citizens, according to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
He referred to the conviction as a virtual death sentence.
The fierce congressional response in various committees "shows a common outrage," Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., told reporters.
Members of the Senate Appropriations Committee also complained about mafia-style extortion by Pakistan in seeking truck fees in exchange for opening the supply lines. The cost had been $250 per truck prior to the attack. Pakistan is now demanding $5,000 per truck. The United States has countered at $500.
The bill would provide just under $1 billion in aid to Pakistan, including $184 million for State Department operations and $800 million for foreign assistance. Counterinsurgency money for Pakistan would be limited to $50 million.
The legislation also conditions the counterinsurgency aid on Pakistan reopening the supply routes.
Islamabad won't get any of the funds for counterinsurgency or money in prior legislation unless the secretary of state certifies to the Appropriations committees that "the government of Pakistan has reopened overland cargo routes available to support United States and North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops in Afghanistan, and funds appropriated under this heading can be used efficiently and effectively by the end of the fiscal year," the legislation says
If the secretary can't certify to Congress, the money would be transferred to other accounts.
The overall legislation would fund the State Department, foreign operations and other programs at $52.1 billion, which is $2.6 billion less than what Obama requested for the 2013 fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 and $1.2 billion below current spending.
Wading into the dispute over Palestinian refugees, the panel approved a version of an amendment from Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., that would require the secretary of state to submit a report to Congress on the number of Palestine refugees who were displaced by the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict, the number of descendants and who receives assistance from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency.
The issue of whether to count refugees and their descendants is a divisive one. Some 5 million Palestine refugees receive assistance from the U.N. agency. A third of registered refugees live in camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
The State Department and Jordan opposed the original Kirk amendment and it was modified by Leahy.
Associated Press writer Matthew Pennington contributed to this report. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...98bf7aaffcac44
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:48 AM   #16
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Cutting aid to the Pakis by only 33 million is a ****ing joke. We could send a much clearer message by cutting Pakistan off completely and pouring money and guns into India.
No, the real joke is that Pakistan -- which has "major non-NATO ally" status -- closed crucial NATO ground supply lines to Afghanistan over six months ago, but this is what we're getting tough about.
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:31 PM   #17
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No, I meant to throw quotations around "tough" but was too lazy to go back and edit.
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:35 AM   #18
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What's stupid about pouring fuel on a potentially nuclear fire?
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Old 05-26-2012, 08:28 AM   #19
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The use of the word "Paki" in this thread makes me wonder why it's considered such an offensive racial slur in some parts.....

Yeah, if strippers can pretend that you're sexy for 100 bucks, the Paki's could at least pretend to be our allies for a billion.

For example, if I said this, I could conceivably be arrested.
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Old 05-26-2012, 05:26 PM   #20
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What about the banner ad that keeps popping up at the top of the page, advising us to play a video game where you get to "figth"? Not just figth--FIGTH, EVOLVE, COLLECT!
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