[RerRibreLok]

Probably posted another time, but I found myself watching it again recently. Excellent job to the engineer who did this experiment.

[Catalogov]

Very good clip to further our understanding on the thermate subject.

[glasscollector]

What ever happened to Occam's razor? That bit of wisdom that says the simplest explanation is usually the best? I have to come to terms with the practical problems of using thermite/thermate to cause a freefall demolition of such huge buidings. If you got it perfect, you would likely have to use tons of thermite and detonate it all with millisecond precision, and there would be no room for failure. So, thermite/thermate seems to be a non-starter for me as the cause of the demolition of the buildings. How could it have been installed without anyone noticing?

I have no problem with thermite being used to a limited extent to produce the 'holes' through which the 'planes' had disappeared into the buildings. However, I need a much better explanation for how the two huge towers were turned int micron sized dust particles in 7 seconds. I have no idea how much steel was in each building, but I could safely assume it was more than one half a million tons--500,000. How much thermite would it take to turn it all into powder if it could be done? And wouldn't the fireworks have been something quite spectacular? The thermite/thermate theory raises many more questions than it answers. It is not the simple explanation.

I'm more inclined to believe that the demolition of the three WTC towers was done with nuclear devices planted underneath each building in a way where the shock wave of the blasts was directed straight up. This would have pulverized everything up to the 80th floor, and pulled the rest of the building above that into small pieces, which explains why there was so much paper on the street after the demolition--the paper and all other identifiable debris was from above the 80th floor. Also, it would explain why the whole WTC7 turned into dust, and why parts of the Fiterman building across the street from WTC7 was also partially pulverized up to the 20th floor or so. It would also explain the intense heat that kept metal in the basement molten for weeks after the event. Nuclear bombs also explains the big explosions seconds before the collapse of each building. Nuclear bombs, to me meets the Occam's razor test. Thermite/thermate doesn't even come close.


Hatha

[AblemTee]

Personally I believe they threw everything at these buildings and nothing can be ruled out.

[glasscollector]

But it "pulverized" from the top down, not from the bottom up.

If a nuculear blast shockwave traveled up through the building, why wouldn't the destruction have started from the bottom? Do you think the sides of the buildings were strong enough to contain the blast all the way up to the 80th floor where it suddenly burst through the outer walls of the buildings?


Yea, I posted this a while back in the 9/11 forum. Thanks for posting it again.

When a building starts to fall at freefall speed, the bottom is pulverizing at the same time as the top. The visible pulverization just happened to emerge from the top first. What was happening at the bottom was obscured by a cloud of dust.

You're all over my posts on this like an albatross Joe King. I don't hear better explanations from you--just a determination to discredit what I write about it. What's up with that? What kind of agenda are you following here?


Hatha

[BEKREUNSEPBERw]

Hatha, a couple of inches of 'fire-proof' coating (in the form of thermate) applied on the initial collapsing floors (about 10 in each building) would set the collapse in motion, once you have the momentum of the top part of the building falling at free fall speed for a couple of seconds (thousands of tons), it is mechanically impossible for the bottom floors not to start disintegrating...

'Fire proofing', was selectively applied to the initial collapse floors, in 1999, at least double the required thickness. Getting it to detonate at the same time is not that difficult, you just have a switch and connect the electric triggered detonators parallell... Who inserted and connected the detonators? Israeli 'art students' who happened to live in the towers weeks prior maybe?

Interestingly normally fire proofing contains iron oxide and aluminum oxide, you just need to exchange the aluminum oxide to aluminum, and you have thermite, have it ground to a powder with particles in the nanoscale, and you have nano thermite. The grunts who sprayed it on the supporting columns, didn't have a clue as to what they were doing...

[AblemTee]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...ol_911_154.htm

Have you seen the videos with Dimitri Khalezov JK

[DoniandaCoado]

Here is a diagram describing where the planes hit, where the initial collapse occurred, and where the 'fire-proofing' was applied (at 2-4 times required thickness):

[Catalogov]

Yea, took a look and saw this....

That's just plain crazy talk, right there.

Nukes are not planted under every large building in America as a design measure to allow for future demolition. I really hope you don't believe that just because it's in black and white on some web site.


What I see on that site you posted is the words of a dis-info agent who's attempting to lead people astray.

Edited to add: If you want to know how those buildings came down, try starting with how an actual demolition company might do it.

So in other words you havnt seen them...........

I have an open mind on the subject and the 26 videos posted on that web site need to be watched even if you dont believe in them,as you need to know this side of the argument.

Otherwise you will be shooting blanks.

[glasscollector]

What I see on that site you posted is the words of a dis-info agent who's attempting to lead people astray.

And you're trying to lead them back to the flock? That's really important, isn't it?

Hatha

[secondmortgages]

the first time I heard the "nuclear bomb" hypothesis, I thought it was a Joke.... .....then I found out the guy was serious....I think it's ridiculous to even think you could detonate a 150 Kt nuclear bomb under each WTC bldgs.... ......150 Kt? ....that's 10 TIMES what was dropped on Japan in WW2 , and event of that magnitude going off would've registered all over the place....lol ......and the underground shockwave would've leveled more than just the WTC bldgs.....

[Adwetyren]

the first time I heard the "nuclear bomb" hypothesis, I thought it was a Joke.... .....then I found out the guy was serious....I think it's ridiculous to even think you could detonate a 150 Kt nuclear bomb under each WTC bldgs.... ......150 Kt? ....that's 10 TIMES what was dropped on Japan in WW2 , and event of that magnitude going off would've registered all over the place....lol ......and the underground shockwave would've leveled more than just the WTC bldgs.....

Agreed, a big part of downtown would have been toast.

Edit: Here is what an 8 kt blast looks like, sure it is underwater but still the same it is frigging big.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZc23tO8nUE

[AutocadOemM]

I'm more inclined to believe that the demolition of the three WTC towers was done with nuclear devices planted underneath each building in a way where the shock wave of the blasts was directed straight up.
Hatha

What is the method by which nuclear explosions can be directed in one direction without hitting anything else adjacent to it?

[AutocadOemM]

thermite/thermate seems to be a non-starter for me as the cause of the demolition of the buildings. How could it have been installed without anyone noticing?

Don't forget that immediately prior to 9/11 the twin towers were undergoing the "largest vertical transportation maintenance in history". The workers could have been given any number of spray applied finishes (fireproofing being the clearest example) and were told to apply it to various key structural columns/beams and they would have never known if it was thermite they were applying.

Hatha, a couple of inches of 'fire-proof' coating (in the form of thermate) applied on the initial collapsing floors (about 10 in each building) would set the collapse in motion, once you have the momentum of the top part of the building falling at free fall speed for a couple of seconds (thousands of tons), it is mechanically impossible for the bottom floors not to start disintegrating...

I agree with this.

[Catalogov]

What is the method by which nuclear explosions can be directed in one direction without hitting anything else adjacent to it?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...911_154_10.htm

[Catalogov]

Didn't watch all 26 videos, but I did watch part 8 of 26 and he says that it was 150KT devices which brought down both buildings. He also said that they vaporized an area of a minimum 100meter diameter and damaged the rock to at least double that size.

I don't see how it's possible to have two nukes that close together and not have the first one set off, or at least interfer with the second device that supposedly went off later to bring down the 2nd tower.
The buildings themselves were only about 200' square and the two towers weren't much more than 100meters apart center to center, if even that much.
So when the first one went off it would have damaged the rock the second one was supposedly embedded in and would therefore distort it's explosive pattern.

Also, if WTC7 was brought down in the same manner, what about WTC6 that stood between WTC1&7? Why didn't it come down too? After all, it supposedly had 300KT's of nukes detonated 100' under it's foundation, right?

Sorry, but the nuculear theory is just that, a theory.
....and one designed to throw otherwise good people off the track.

So you cant be bothered to watch the other VIDs which answer these question.

Getting snippets of info and jumping to conclusions means you are not that interested really.

[Catalogov]

Agreed, a big part of downtown would have been toast.

Edit: Here is what an 8 kt blast looks like, sure it is underwater but still the same it is frigging big.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZc23tO8nUE

This is above ground blast........

[glasscollector]

What is the method by which nuclear explosions can be directed in one direction without hitting anything else adjacent to it?

If you watch the Khalezov videos, he explains it. The point where the bomb explodes he calls 'zero-box'. The energy of the explosion is calculated to create a cavity 100 meters across in the granite bedrock under the buildings. So, they place zero box 50 meters below the lowest floor of the WTC buildings, which is 27 meters below street level. Zero box is 77 meters below street level under each tower. When it explodes, the top of the cavity is directly below the tall steel building, and since the explosion wants to go in the path of least resistance, it goes straight up--through the building. The shock wave travels up the building, pulverizing it up to the 80th floor, and shaking the rest of the building into larger pieces. The whole building is demolished instantaneously, most of it coming down as powder, and the rest easily removed, pieces of scorched steel. My vision of it is a gigantic exploding pustule under the buildings. How else do you account for an anomalous absence of solid debris? Most of the debris was swept up as dust. Khalezov does a much better job explaining than I am doing.

I think the problem with the nuclear demolition theory is that you have to overcome a strong belief that people in authority would not explode nuclear bombs in densely populated cities. Nor would they allow anyone to do so. People believe that authority protects them. So the authorities wouldn't do anything like that, and anybody who thinks that they would is crazy. That's a really tough belief to hold up to the chopping block. Authority is the 911 issue. Do you trust authority? Or are you suspicious of authority. It's a big deal to switch views. Anyway, in order to believe some of the theories proposed, you have to have a distrust of authority, or at least to lack an 'idealized' view of them--and understand that the people in power do not serve you. It's not such a big leap from this awareness to the idea that they could plant nuclear bombs under big buildings, and blow them up with a good deal of the NY Fire Department inside. Plus a hell of a lot of other people. You have to be really paranoid to believe anyone could do that, right? So you let them off the hook, and you believe the arab hijacker story. And you dismiss science and common sense and logic and reason because you know which side your bread is buttered on. So, if you don't want to believe they would cover up a nuclear demolition with a fairy tale--you'r about half way there to believing that they would actually blow three nukes in a single day--for the insurance money, and all the other 'benefits'.


Hatha

[Catalogov]

And all that was left was DUST

[AblemTee]

oNLY 25 vidS TO GO jk