Leaving Afghanistan
 

Following Canada's lead yet again.

I like how the US was begging Canada to stay not a few months ago, now they're shrugging and leaving as well. Classy. http://www.discussworldissues.com/im...ons/icon14.gif

Did it ever occur to you that this could be another instance of the U.S. saying "Screw this. We're not going it alone."?

Really? U.S. RESERVES are spending tour after tour. I think it's quite likely that politicians are waking up and deciding that this is a hell of a cost, both monetarily and in lives.
Pull out. Let France and Spain... and Canada take their chances with terrorists. I don't say this in an adversarial way, I'm just saying that sometimes things aren't worth the cost, especially when no one else wants to help.

This should put things in perspective whenever we talk about any war that US has been in, or is currently in.

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tonight Bill O'Reilly said Iran would support the Taliban if we left Afghanistan

Yay for finally admitting that going in to Afghanistan was wrong. So soon after Iraq too - one would think you Tejans enjoy eating humble pie... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/cute.gif

I know. It gets a bit tiresome saying "I told you so" all the time...

Libya is doing better than expected, as far as I'm concerned. IIRC I was the one saying it would become a stalemate before anyone else, which is why it was the right course of action IMO. http://www.discussworldissues.com/im...ons/icon14.gif

So yes, I told you so... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.gif

Considering you've been wrong about everything else, it's nice to see you're not changing the habits of a lifetime. http://www.discussworldissues.com/im...ons/icon14.gif

Still, just as well you live in Tejas so you can surround yourself with lots of other ignorant losers so you can feel better about all your own failings... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif

I think I do recall correctly, actually. It's all in that other thread, including my prediction that one of the 'borders' was going to be between Brega and Ajdabiya... http://www.discussworldissues.com/im...ons/icon14.gif

Also, it's not a war per se, but a fairly low key rebellion with mostly static lines where the civilians in the most part have fled the fighting, hence the relatively low civilian casualties, and one of the most populous parts of Libya (Benghazi - Tobruk) has been left virtually unscathed, or actually completely untouched from the fighting.

All for a fairly cheap campaign of a few Nato sorties where the members get to use up all their back catalogue of old munitions without the single loss of life to their forces as far as I know of. How cool is that!? http://www.discussworldissues.com/im...ons/icon14.gif

Of course, I would have done it differently up till now and it would have been cheaper still for the allies, but then when you have amateurs in charge...

You OTOH wanted to stand idly by and risk a massacre in Benghazi and the country as a whole and let Gadaffi retake the country and mete out a brutal revenge - because that was what was days from happening! Thank god you're not in charge... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/rolleyes.gif

Canada's involvement in Afghanistan may've served only to increase our profile to terrorists. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/frown.gif

@ OP: If you want out so badly, I guess you should never have moved in in the first place.

Everyone save Cockney (post 63 Long drawn out civil war = stalemate) , Arrian (post 176), Cort Haus (numerous) and myself (post 71) that is.

Mobius first mention of stalemate post 178 (March 30)

Revisionism/Prescience/Intellectual dishonesty is a wonderful thing.

Dang - too long on the research x-post with COckney

The Indian Wars were a series of isolated skirmishes with barely-affiliated or nonaffiliated native tribes over the course of a century. Considering them to be part of one long war is really kind of stretching the term.

I know of the country Libya, but I've never heard of this country you call Libyia.

But now do the same list for England from 1066 on...

Targets? From whom? A bunch of western-educated Saudi-Arabians?

Fighting a war for *ever* in Afghanistan isn't going to stop western radicals from doing crazy things. Please don't equate it with WW2 and lend lease. Facing existential destruction from a superpower on the rampage does not equate with a tiny threat from a bunch of nutters.

What's the best you can hope for in Afghanistan? A stable and friendly government like, for example, Pakistan?

Oh.

Historically, European based countries(americas, europe) have been unstable. The order and stability that we enjoy today was not even there in the 60's. The good ol' days are now. We are living in the most orderly era that western civilization has ever experienced. An even then, we have riots over Ice hockey games. Look back, at the history of ALMOST any country and you will see things are probably better than they were in 1960, 1917, 1862 or any date. If you would have told someone in 1862 that there would eventually be a black president, women would have the right to vote, that air conditioning would be in almost every home or that almost every kid in the u.s. would have the opportunity for an education(instead of working a farm/factory) that person would have called it fantasy. Look at your countries own history whatever it may be and you will probably find things are better now than they where before. There are exceptions, but those are obstacles also that can be overcome.

Just because something has not happened does not make fantasy.

Yeah those Afghans are savages who are incapable of having peace!