[pseusawbappem]

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The Republican convention is coming fast. Ron Paul has taken a very low profile. Maybe has given up. Maybe he is just laying low until the convention. In either case, but especially the initial case, the delegates need to know that they have the power to choose whom they want. This includes Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, etc. delegates.

In honor of Gaillo's sweat lodge experience, we should start beating the war drums for the Republican delegates. Not necassarily loudly, but continuously. Hopefully as visitors come to this site, they will see it, and the idea will spread, and join us. Given the time scale of the collapse, this may be our last chance to try and solve the problem through normal channels.

This thread opens the official The Ron Paul and Republican Delegates War Drums Club. Feel free to add your thoughts.

[Cyclicymn]

ron paul has conceded. he and rand are now playing along so that rand has a "future." feel free to start saving all of your "liberty" donations for rand paul in 2016!

[Arexytece]

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In honor of Gaillo's sweat lodge experience, we should start beating the war drums for the Republican delegates. Not necassarily loudly, but continuously. Hopefully as visitors come to this site, they will see it, and the idea will spread, and join us. Given the time scale of the collapse, this may be our last chance to try and solve the problem through normal channels.

The problem of Tyranny has never been solved with non violence in the entire history of the human race. Peple who think RP can save us are living in denial.

These criminals poison our food and water, they send swarms of Agents to eat out our substance, they tax-regulate-license and control every facet of your life, They degenerate our childrens minds and values and they bomb innocent civilians all over the world in our name.

Do you honestly think these criminals are going to go way willingly?

In fact, behind every single action of the system is a GUN. EVERY FUCKING TIME.


Tyrants, Despots and Ruling Criminals throughout history LOVE the idea that you think you can change the system with non violence.

[clapsoewmred]

Go RP! Ross Perot 2012!

[peveballery]

I don't think for a second that RP can "save" us but I do think he and the folks in the liberty movement can throw a huge roadblock in their way.

As of right now there is a lawsuit in fed court against the RNC that is likely to cause quite a stir, other factions are coming on board multiplying its consequences. The judge has been very favorable to us so far and we're all waiting for the final decision.

[Cofeeman]

I don't think for a second that RP can "save" us but I do think he and the folks in the liberty movement can throw a huge roadblock in their way.

As of right now there is a lawsuit in fed court against the RNC that is likely to cause quite a stir, other factions are coming on board multiplying its consequences. The judge has been very favorable to us so far and we're all waiting for the final decision.

I hope the decision comes in time. Of course the safest strategy for the judge would be to stall it until after the convention, then rule in Ron Paul's favor!

Any update news out there? I have not seen anything, nor were there any updates on the lawyers' website last time I checked.

[Gedominew]

The problem of Tyranny has never been solved with non violence in the entire history of the human race. Peple who think RP can save us are living in denial.

These criminals poison our food and water, they send swarms of Agents to eat out our substance, they tax-regulate-license and control every facet of your life, They degenerate our childrens minds and values and they bomb innocent civilians all over the world in our name.

Do you honestly think these criminals are going to go way willingly?

In fact, behind every single action of the system is a GUN. EVERY FUCKING TIME.


Tyrants, Despots and Ruling Criminals throughout history LOVE the idea that you think you can change the system with non violence.

At this point I do not care, nor do I expect anything. On the other hand, I want the delegates to raise as much hell as they can at that convention. If they can nominate Ron Paul, great. If not give it everything they got trying. I don't want to here about the "future" of the liberty movement, because I will never support Rand.

[VogsHoock]

I hope the decision comes in time. Of course the safest strategy for the judge would be to stall it until after the convention, then rule in Ron Paul's favor!

Any update news out there? I have not seen anything, nor were there any updates on the lawyers' website last time I checked.

The judge has really bent over backwards in helping the LFRP, the suit has been milked down to the essence of the Fair Voting Act, which is a Fed issue because public tax dollars pay for the D and R conventions, which is also intra-state.

The RNC in open court admitted that they can/will change the rules whenever it suits them, it pissed the judge off! Apparently the judge is hard core, ex-marine and constitutionally inclined. It seems, so far, that ALL delegates are free to vote their conscious or abstain, per rule 11. The evangelicals have been watching this closely too and they don't like Rmoney at all and are willing and able to help, so it seems.

I don't see how putting off the decision till after the convention helps.

[Mark_NyB]

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I don't see how putting off the decision till after the convention helps.

I was being a little sarcastic, but:

1. The delegates may not act without the judgement;
2. The sarcasm, though potentially true also, is that the judge may be safer if he delays it.

[orapope]

The judge has really bent over backwards in helping the LFRP, the suit has been milked down to the essence of the Fair Voting Act, which is a Fed issue because public tax dollars pay for the D and R conventions, which is also intra-state.

The RNC in open court admitted that they can/will change the rules whenever it suits them, it pissed the judge off! Apparently the judge is hard core, ex-marine and constitutionally inclined. It seems, so far, that ALL delegates are free to vote their conscious or abstain, per rule 11. The evangelicals have been watching this closely too and they don't like Rmoney at all and are willing and able to help, so it seems.

I don't see how putting off the decision till after the convention helps.

LT man, thanks for the update, I just don't have enough time in a day to do anything so this really helps my mind.

[Ambrakam]

Just saying........

[t78VPkdO]

The Ron Paul Grassroots "Delegate Lawsuit" Tossed, New Version Filed


The lawsuit filed by a Ron Paul grassroots activist lawyer charging the Republican National Committee (RNC) with various shenanigans against Ron Paul delegates and calling for the RNC to admit that no delegate is bound to vote for Romney was dismissed by U.S. District Judge David Carter this week.


Carter's order to dismiss...

...Gilbert is not giving up, and has filed another amended version of his suit, which attempts to get the court to decide whether the federal Voting Rights Act applies to voting at the RNC in Tampa, which Gilbert is trying to have defined as a "federal election" under that law.

If that is so, and if the Voting Rights Act applies to it, if I understand the complaint correctly, Gilbert is claiming any attempt to bind delegates to vote for Romney should be illegitimate..."

[Rufio]

The Ron Paul Grassroots "Delegate Lawsuit" Tossed, New Version Filed


The lawsuit filed by a Ron Paul grassroots activist lawyer charging the Republican National Committee (RNC) with various shenanigans against Ron Paul delegates and calling for the RNC to admit that no delegate is bound to vote for Romney was dismissed by U.S. District Judge David Carter this week.


Carter's order to dismiss...

...Gilbert is not giving up, and has filed another amended version of his suit, which attempts to get the court to decide whether the federal Voting Rights Act applies to voting at the RNC in Tampa, which Gilbert is trying to have defined as a "federal election" under that law.

If that is so, and if the Voting Rights Act applies to it, if I understand the complaint correctly, Gilbert is claiming any attempt to bind delegates to vote for Romney should be illegitimate..."

It was ruled in 2008 by the RNC that binding was not allowed, period.

The judge told to him to amend and refile, it was NOT thrown out.

[Peterli]

It was ruled in 2008 by the RNC that binding was not allowed, period.

The judge told to him to amend and refile, it was NOT thrown out.

I guess Reason magazine is being unReasonable with their titles. If you read the judges orders, he really pounded the attorney's involved. I hope they get the case filed properly this next go around.

[Savviioor]

I love how some Federal Judge will decide who a man can vote for.

Sovietization is almost complete.

Even if he rules they cannot vote for RP, what do you think would happen if they did vote for RP anyway? I can already see it: 'Man in prison for voting with his conscience'.

[GroosteFoessy]

If the judge does not support this case, then it is clear that no one really votes in primaries, and delegates do not vote at the convention. Rather "the party" considers opinions of the popular primary vote (this is already known), and the opinion of the delegates at the convention, but ultimately chooses their own candidate. In reality, this is no surprise. The closest thing we have to a popular vote at the federal level is voting for house and senate members, and even this is controlled by the parties, just not through a primary system.

It is too little too late, but the key would be to gain control over the two main parties.

[Ayyfjicg]

This whole matter is a tempest in a teapot. (S)elections are just trinkets given to children to keep them occupied; why play into the trap?

[toksenveste]

This whole matter is a tempest in a teapot. (S)elections are just trinkets given to children to keep them occupied; why play into the trap?

This is how it has seemed to me for a long time (especially in presidential races). This is how the whole thing was set-up in the constitution. Really only the house was supposed to be direct democracy. The president was to be elected through a complex process, and ultimately citizens worthy of being the final delegates made the final choice. The senate was supposed to be the house of the states.

[merloermfgj]

If the judge does not support this case, then it is clear that no one really votes in primaries, and delegates do not vote at the convention. Rather "the party" considers opinions of the popular primary vote (this is already known), and the opinion of the delegates at the convention, but ultimately chooses their own candidate. In reality, this is no surprise. The closest thing we have to a popular vote at the federal level is voting for house and senate members, and even this is controlled by the parties, just not through a primary system.

It is too little too late, but the key would be to gain control over the two main parties.

i hope this is not the case mark .

[Gromiaaborn]

I think people who know politics have always said that the parties control this country. The question is who controls the parties?