[Wymdqcvb]

Heh, guess it's your turn Mr. Bean.

[obegeLype]

When you purchase a rifle online, they aren't supposed to send it to you directly. Generally what happens is the seller sends the gun to a local dealer, who gets a small commission on the sale and by law is required to hold the weapon for a few days and do a background check with the FBI. Once that clears, you are able to go and pick it up. Obviously this was all a mistake, but Amazon clearly messed up and could face legal ramifications for what they did. The kid will more than likely be required to send the gun back to Amazon. Contrary to popular belief, it's really not that easy to purchase a firearm in the US of A.

Not sure about your state, but here as soon as the gun comes in to the dealer after an online order you can go get it. Background check usually takes 10 minutes or less.
Guns are very easy to purchase in the US of A. lol Too easy really. Whether you buy in store, online, or just go to a local flea market where dudes just sell guns out of the back of their trucks. In store you can walk out same day with a firearm and online you can get it, in my experiences in 2 or 3 days. Even up to a .50cal sniper rifle if you bought one. Well, at least in my great state, and the states my brothers live in.

I have a C&R FFL that allows me to have guns shipped right to my house and it only cost $30 for 3years. Granted older firearms, but still a functional firearm. About to order up a Mauser actually and have it shipped right to me.


If I was that dude, I may not have said a thing. It is a nice gun, and worth a LOT of money.
I would not be surprised if the government was behind this somehow.



I don't see how Amazon could have messed up because Amazon doesn't even sell guns. Only thing that I could think is that the dude ordered the TV from a company that sells through Amazon and happen to also sell guns too. Just attached the wrong labeled to the wrong package.

[Mmccqrtb]

Not sure about your state, but here as soon as the gun comes in to the dealer after an online order you can go get it. Background check usually takes 10 minutes or less.
Guns are very easy to purchase in the US of A. lol Too easy really. Whether you buy in store, online, or just go to a local flea market where dudes just sell guns out of the back of their trucks. In store you can walk out same day with a firearm and online you can get it, in my experiences in 2 or 3 days. Even up to a .50cal sniper rifle if you bought one. Well, at least in my great state, and the states my brothers live in.

I have a C&R FFL that allows me to have guns shipped right to my house and it only cost $30 for 3years. Granted older firearms, but still a functional firearm. About to order up a Mauser actually and have it shipped right to me.


If I was that dude, I may not have said a thing. It is a nice gun, and worth a LOT of money.
I would not be surprised if the government was behind this somehow.



I don't see how Amazon could have messed up because Amazon doesn't even sell guns. Only thing that I could think is that the dude ordered the TV from a company that sells through Amazon and happen to also sell guns too. Just attached the wrong labeled to the wrong package.

Well then I stand corrected. This country really is mentally retarded when it comes to gun ownership.

[Catalogov]

If I was that dude, I may not have said a thing. It is a nice gun, and worth a LOT of money.

The problem is the guy lives in DC, where ownership of "assault rifles" is still highly restricted. Had he even driven it to the police station rather than calling them, they could (and WOULD) have arrested him.

I don't see how Amazon could have messed up because Amazon doesn't even sell guns. Only thing that I could think is that the dude ordered the TV from a company that sells through Amazon and happen to also sell guns too. Just attached the wrong labeled to the wrong package.

As has come to light, it wasn't a problem on Amazon's part... but remember, Amazon is the new whipping boy for the media in regards to evading state sales taxes, etc etc. UPS, on the other hand, experienced quite the error in their shipping system.

For non-US people, you can't order guns online and have them shipped to your door. It just doesn't work that way. You can, however, communicate with a seller and arrange for them to ship it to your nearest FFL (Federal Firearms License) dealer, who is heavily scrutinized by the BATFE.

[Wachearex]

but remember, Amazon is the new whipping boy for the media in regards to evading state sales taxes, etc etc. UPS, on the other hand, experienced quite the error in their shipping system.

Amazon has been pilloried in the press for more than just sales tax evasion. That they're selling assault rifles online is a new low.

[sabbixsweraco]

Meh....

[chujwduperjadzi]

Amazon has been pilloried in the press for more than just sales tax evasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill_C...._North_Dakota

Steam uses that very same ruling to not charge you tax either. I do not expect you to understand this, but it is easy to not have a physical presence when you are selling DRMed software. That they're selling assault rifles online is a new low. Legally providing a product that customers demand is now a new low? How are package stores any better?

[AnimeThat]

I know Virginia had a law where you could only buy one gun a month, but repealed it because it was too restrictive. Sometimes one gun a month just isn't enough

[SweetCaroline]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill_C...._North_Dakota

Look, I know you are fond of relying on Wikipedia for all your knowledge, but this is lazy, even for you.

States and local municipalities have the authority to place sales taxes on individual purchases, whether the retailer is physically based in the state should not matter since the tax is dependent on the location of the transaction from the standpoint of the consumer. That's why it's referred to as a consumption tax.

States depend on sales tax for funding budgets, and unless you want to increase state income tax or gut funding to things like roads and public education, they need to apply equally to all consumer spending. The SCOTUS ruling you cite was written well before online retail came to the fore, and Congress has the authority to overrule it through legislation. Amazon, not Valve, has fought tooth and nail against state sales tax on e-commerce.[1]

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but laws are only necessary so far as they are useful. They are not immutable. Don't like paying sales taxes? No problem. You can always move to Montana or Alaska.

Legally providing a product that customers demand is now a new low? How are package stores any better?

Many things that are reprehensible are also technically legal. Unless you have the IQ of red_dog, it should be obvious that individual sellers with no oversight should not be able to sell firearms through Amazon to any Joe **** with a credit card. Background checks and physical ID checks should be the minimum criteria for gun ownership. If we're going to have gun control laws, they should be applied consistently. And incidentally, Ron Paul Jr., Congress can restrict the sale of firearms, so whether it is currently legal to buy assault weapons on Amazon doesn't mean it will be in the future.

[softy54534]

Answer this question: Is it okay for Valve to avoid sales tax on Steam sales but not okay for Amazon?

Your opinion on sales tax differs with a Supreme Court ruling. You lose here.

[iklostardinn]

Answer this question: Is it okay for Valve to avoid sales tax on Steam sales but not okay for Amazon?

I wouldn't care if Steam applied sales taxes.

Your opinion on sales tax differs with a Supreme Court ruling. You lose here. My opinion, along with most legal scholars, also differs with respect to Citizens United v. FEC, Bush v. Gore, and DC v. Heller. Look at the intellectual faculties of most of the conservative justices and reconsider whether I actually lose here.

[expiclefich]

Very good point.

Cheers.

[JessiPollo]

I know Virginia had a law where you could only buy one gun a month, but repealed it because it was too restrictive. Sometimes one gun a month just isn't enough

Maybe they realized how much it hurt tax revenue?
Also I am sure there was a huge loophole. Buy the upper and lower separately and still get as many guns as you wanted.
One gun may not be enough. A lot of people do keep a ton of guns, but a lot of people buy a gun, put a couple hundred rounds in it and then sell it for something else.




It is the duty of the consumer to still pay these taxes if tax is not applied at point of sell. So why are the consumers getting off the hook here!? Why are the sellers the evil companies lol?

[Precturge]

Do you? Based on your knowledge of US History (and just about everything else) I would say that you should stay out of this.

Again with the insults ?

[Anneskobsen]

Again with the insults ?

I just reflected a comment that you said to someone else back at you.

Was it okay for you and not for me?

[LxtdK9i4]

I just reflected a comment that you said to someone else back at you.

Was it okay for you and not for me?

Huh ?

I was asking him, as apparently he doesn't know that guns are that easy to buy in the US.

[spamkillerj]

Let me spoon-fed you this:

You have no idea about US gun laws, do you ?

Do you? Based on your knowledge of US History (and just about everything else) I would say that you should stay out of this.

Now please, back up your claims. But here is a hint: Gun laws vary from state-to-state. Some states are significantly harder than others.

[Duseshoug]

With respect to the Valve thing, shouldn't an online purchase that does not have a state's sales tax included in the final invoice price technically be reported as a use tax in one's annual income tax statement? Or is the purchase of intellectual property different than the purchase of other goods?

[defenderfors]

Many things that are reprehensible are also technically legal. Unless you have the IQ of red_dog, it should be obvious that individual sellers with no oversight should not be able to sell firearms through Amazon to any Joe **** with a credit card. Background checks and physical ID checks should be the minimum criteria for gun ownership. If we're going to have gun control laws, they should be applied consistently. And incidentally, Ron Paul Jr., Congress can restrict the sale of firearms, so whether it is currently legal to buy assault weapons on Amazon doesn't mean it will be in the future.

1. You CANNOT buy a gun through Amazon...

2. You CANNOT buy a gun online and have it shipped to you unless you hold an FFL (READ: DEALER) license. Period. End of discussion.

It's looking like the TV reseller and the distributor for the Sig used the same distribution/shipping center... what many people don't know and/or understand, is that many places just have joint warehouses these days... Newegg, Amazon, Best Buy, etc etc etc. They all do it. In fact, they've taken them one further: When you ship a laptop back to Dell (for example) for repairs, in most cases it never sees Texas soil, or any other Dell property for that matter. Instead, it hits the nearest shipping center where they have onsite techs. Saves them money and turnaround time -- All it takes is one shipping label screw-up for something like this to happen, frightening as it may be.

[Vomazoono]

i can just see that warehouse L_M is talking about ` on the left we have electronic goods , tvs , blu ray and laptops , and on the right we have military hardware , assault rifles , tanks and aircraft - try not the get the shipping mixed up....again`