[VDAu5p33]

The death penalty doesn't save money, it costs money; and it isn't a deterrent. Also it's abhorrent to kill someone based on the money it would in theory save.

One more thing, you don't alleivate suffering by dispensing with the justice system that people have died and fought to protect.

I heard it costs £30-40k a year for each prisoner here. If he's a young man, under 40, that's a huge sum to save.

[sasaderesada]

I heard it costs £30-40k a year for each prisoner here. If he's a young man, under 40, that's a huge sum to save.

It's well documented that the death penalty costs money.

From a report by the Kansas Dept. of Corrections:

“The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).” (Performance Audit Report: Costs Incurred forDeath Penalty Cases: A K-GOAL Audit of the Department of Corrections)

[topbonuscasino]

Yes sure, that's what the country needs right ? a murder to redeem other murders. Besides, killing him would not be punishment, life alone in solitary would be much better.

You misunderstand me. Its not about punishment, or justice. Its about removing an element from society that clearly can't live WITHIN a society.

Pardon the link here, but its like Joker and the Batman. The Joker is irredeemable, but society refuses to enact the death penalty on the Joker and so each time he escapes he kills more people without a care and Batman just puts him back in Arkham.

We keep the Joker alive in comics because it makes a good story, but why keep someone alive in real life with the same issues. He walked into a theater armed to the teeth with tear gas! Why kind of person does that? Raise your hand if you think you can rehabilitate someone like that.

[Waymninelia]

You misunderstand me. Its not about punishment, or justice. Its about removing an element from society that clearly can't live WITHIN a society.

Pardon the link here, but its like Joker and the Batman. The Joker is irredeemable, but society refuses to enact the death penalty on the Joker and so each time he escapes he kills more people without a care and Batman just puts him back in Arkham.

We keep the Joker alive in comics because it makes a good story, but why keep someone alive in real life with the same issues. He walked into a theater armed to the teeth with tear gas! Why kind of person does that? Raise your hand if you think you can rehabilitate someone like that.

He will be removed from society if he's in prison.

[eliniaguilefp7m]

You misunderstand me. Its not about punishment, or justice, or anything. Its about removing an element from society that clearly can't live WITHIN a society.

Pardon the link here, but its like Joker and the Batman. The Joker is irredeemable, but society refuses to enact the death penalty on the Joker and so each time he escapes he kills more people without a care and Batman just puts him back in Arkham.

We keep the Joker alive in comics because it makes a good story, but why keep someone alive in real life with the same issues. He walked into a theater armed to the teeth with tear gas! Why kind of person does that? Raise your hand if you think you can rehabilitate someone like that.

It's not about rehabilitation, it's about removing him from society to spend his life proverbially rotting in the solitude of jail, it's about not justifying a death with another which is the very same reason that this stuff happens immensely disproportionally more in the USA. A place where life is worth less than anywhere else in the civilized world. A place where killing a guy because he wants to rob your wallet is justified. It's the same viscous circle that put the US in this situation. A place where fireworks are sometimes illegal yet a 26 inch barelled, 700 round per minute cannon of death is perfectly fine.

[DiBellaBam]

It's not about rehabilitation, it's about removing him from society to spend his life proverbially rotting in the solitude of jail, it's about not justifying a death with another which is the very same reason that this stuff happens immensely disproportionally more in the USA. A place where life is worth less than anywhere else in the civilized world. A place where killing a guy because he wants to rob your wallet is justified. It's the same viscous circle that put the US in this situation. A place where fireworks are sometimes illegal yet a 26 inch barelled, 700 round per minute cannon of death is perfectly fine.

dude you need help for that mental defect you obviously have. A place where life is worth less than anywhere else in the world?! Are you ****ing kidding me!?

[Ayyfjicg]

dude you need help for that mental defect you obviously have. A place where life is worth less than anywhere else in the world?! Are you ****ing kidding me!?

Isn't it blatantly obvious that life seems to be worth less over there ?

I forgot to put "seems" in front of that sentence.

[dyestymum]

The 24-year-old former neuroscience student was arrested in a car park outside the theatre in Aurora city.A Neuroscience PhD student at University of Colorado-Denver,in the process of withdrawing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492

(This is not exactly the profile of the suspect that first came to mind!)

[zuhraliyana]

I have a feeling this has something to do with the movie... Was he trying to be Bane? Or a a city terrorizer?

The public will probably blow this out of proportion by blaming the movie and saying violence on screen encourages violence IRL etc etc and try to get violent movies banned or something. You know, typical religious zealot bullcrap.

It could just as well of been someone who was fedup with hollywood in general, or just someone damaged in the brain. Maybe they were even copying that God Bless America movie going around shooting people up in theaters cause they were tired of society in general. We don't know their motives, but naturally people latch on to their first guess trying to find a place to lay the blame when they can't take responsibility for their own society they've helped to create.

[minowz]

The public will probably blow this out of proportion by blaming the movie and saying violence on screen encourages violence IRL etc etc and try to get violent movies banned or something. You know, typical religious zealot bullcrap.

It could just as well of been someone who was fedup with hollywood in general, or just someone damaged in the brain. Maybe they were even copying that God Bless America movie going around shooting people up in theaters cause they were tired of society in general. We don't know their motives, but naturally people latch on to their first guess trying to find a place to lay the blame when they can take responsibility for their own society they've helped to create.

He was a demented person who only sought attention.

[h4z1XBI7]

Deja Vu.

All I am saying is, the insane asylum/prison this 'joker' is being sent to better go on lock down. Last time the joker did something crazy and then gave himself up too easy, only more trouble followed.

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He was a demented person who only sought attention.

Yeah, pretty much. I wonder how many of these loons would have done what they did without columbine as an example. It has been all about one upping the last loon to copycat. I remember the good ol' days when they just offed themselves.

[DoctorNelsonOnten]

Deja Vu.

All I am saying is, the insane asylum/prison this 'joker' is being sent to better go on lock down. Last time the joker did something crazy and then gave himself up too easy, only more trouble followed.

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Yeah, pretty much. I wonder how many of these loons would have done what they did without columbine as an example. It has been all about one upping the last loon to copycat. I remember the good ol' days when they just offed themselves.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. To ease our minds we label a person "insane" to justify the atrocity, but there is something to be said about a culture where these events occur on a much more frequent basis than other developed countries. While the media propagates terrorism, a seemingly harmless Doctoral Student with zero felonies or prior arrests one day decides to shoot up a movie theater and kill over a dozen people.

[Maryjasmine]

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. To ease our minds we label a person "insane" to justify the atrocity, but there is something to be said about a culture where these events occur on a much more frequent basis than other developed countries. While the media propagates terrorism, a seemingly harmless Doctoral Student with zero felonies or prior arrests one day decides to shoot up a movie theater and kill over a dozen people.

But whether he is insane or just deranged or none of the above, doesn't matter... what does, imo, matter to him is the fame and glory he will get over the next few weeks when his name is plastered everywhere 24/7. We play right into his, or anyone else's hands, that do something like this by making them famous, and thus, showing others they can be famous too, by doing the same.

He should be called what he is, a shooter/gunman, and nothing more. There should be a blackout on 'him' in the same way there is a blackout on listing anyone who was raped, or is an underage victim. Not for his safety, but for ours. We just create the next bad player by giving the current bad player wall to wall coverage on any channel you flip to and a complete dissection of that persons life.

[GotActichwicy]

NBC News seems to have the most detail reported news coverage about the suspect so far.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...enchannel&lite

[Q0KmoR8K]

Yes sure, that's what the country needs right ? a murder to redeem other murders. Besides, killing him would not be punishment, life alone in solitary would be much better.

I go back and forth one this from time to time.

But isn't the desire to punish kind of sick in a way?

I agree with the idea to just put him down and get it over with.

Some people are incapable of existing in society.

[Opening-auto]

So I ended up going in to work. My hospital ended up treating up to 15 victims, 5 critical. Surgeries planned throughout the day.

I am very sad to hear that. My friends in Denver got in touch to say that they were all safe, but it's still a terrible thing.

[Toscoropreark]

I have had the thought before that maybe we should use people like this for medical experiments/tests that would otherwise not be carried out.

[meteeratymn]

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. To ease our minds we label a person "insane" to justify the atrocity, but there is something to be said about a culture where these events occur on a much more frequent basis than other developed countries. While the media propagates terrorism, a seemingly harmless Doctoral Student with zero felonies or prior arrests one day decides to shoot up a movie theater and kill over a dozen people.

But whether he is insane or just deranged or none of the above, doesn't matter... what does, imo, matter to him is the fame and glory he will get over the next few weeks when his name is plastered everywhere 24/7. We play right into his, or anyone else's hands, that do something like this by making them famous, and thus, showing others they can be famous too, by doing the same.

He should be called what he is, a shooter/gunman, and nothing more. There should be a blackout on 'him' in the same way there is a blackout on listing anyone who was raped, or is an underage victim. Not for his safety, but for ours. We just create the next bad player by giving the current bad player wall to wall coverage on any channel you flip to and a complete dissection of that persons life.

I think that you are both in agreement. insane or not he is a demented evil being who only seeks attention, which he got. i think that there are various factors which influence these mass killers, society itself playing a major part, especially the news networks and media who sensationalize the events. i read reports by psychiatrists who mention things which should be done to avoid these things. Among them, not to start news reports with blaring sirens, not to release photos of the suspect to the public and stories which just create an anti-hero persona of the killer, to localize the news coverage to the area and not to cover it so extensively nationwide and a ton of other things which
the media continues to do the complete opposite. Another is the gungho gun culture of the US and the pervading culture of gun ownership and the ease with which one cam get a gun, legal or not. Even if he got the guns illegally (which he didn't) the legal and very easy availability of guns is what in turn creates the massive black market for guns. (I do not advocate a gun ban or anything but it's undeniable that it's the legal market which made guns so popular and made guns such an intrinsic part of US culture.) Although these attacks also happen elsewhere in Europe, the rate that they happen in the US is 5-6 times greater, even though the US only has less than half the population of all of Europe.

The film has nothing to do with it, never mind him dyeing his hair orange and proclaiming to be the Joker, when this kind of person plans an attack with such a desire to kill for attention, they just choose the best opportune moment, which in this case happened to be the massive release of The Dark Knight Rises. the bigger the event, the bigger the coverage. Taking cue from previous killings and upping the scale, like Zed said before.

I go back and forth one this from time to time.

But isn't the desire to punish kind of sick in a way?

I agree with the idea to just put him down and get it over with.

Some people are incapable of existing in society.

I used to do that, but now I'm convinced. As much as he deserves to die, i think we would just be doing him a favour if they execute him. Besides that this idea that life can be taken away so easily and readily, merely for supposed closure, redemption and revenge only helps to perpetuate the same ideas and culture in a society that breeds the same examples of personified evil like James Holmes.

There is only one way to stop this from happening again, and that is to stop the viscous cycle which perpetuates these kind of attacks, and it might be a good idea to start with not killing anymore people.

Besides, the idea that he's rotting away in some solitary prison cell in a super-max is far more comforting than knowing that he died by capital punishment with that rotten smirk on his face, knowing that he succeeded in his mission as a martyr for others to follow his example years or maybe months even later.

Sorry for the punctuation, I'm typing on my phone.

[V8V8V8]

Wanting to punish someone is revenge.

Wanting to remove someone who will never be able to be released into the general populace is simply solving a problem.

[Flieteewell]

The 24-year-old former neuroscience student was arrested in a car park outside the theatre in Aurora city.A Neuroscience PhD student at University of Colorado-Denver,in the process of withdrawing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492

(This is not exactly the profile of the suspect that first came to mind!)

Not the profile of a killer, no. Probably because the CIA did it and he's the fall guy, or he did it under mind control or whatever. It's all very fishy.