[Glamyclitlemi]

I agree with almost everything you wrote above, but I do think most GSUS'ers has realized they were played. And I do think that threats to him re not only him but also his family played a large part in his dropping out... Maybe Bernanke showed him the unedited Zapruder film at the breakfast...

[GeraldCortis]

JJ,

I've hoped since 2008 he was true. I've told people the closest thing to a politician I would vote for is Paul.

But, ultimately, I agree with you.

DMac, day 1 GSUS
I vote that he is compromised.

[toreesi]

Damn...
Well said. It's surprising how much I agree with your post.

[Heacechig]

He has supported the official standing on the events of 9/11 from day one.

Just saying.

[irrehoobe]

I reckon I'm one of the most ardent RP'ers here or at least amongst the more hopeful anyway but there are things that bothered me in 08 and they still bother me today. Pauls' election was never very likely if not indeed impossible, between the ignorant masses, MSM, Diebold and fraud and what seems like the ineptitude of the campaign it was likely destined to fail from the git go. There's some positives in it though, lots of folks especially young folks now understand a lot more than they did before about issues like money, credit, The Constitution, the Fed Reserve, etc etc and the lies they've been fed all their lives. The other positive thing I see coming out of it is the monster he's created in amassing the delegates and the freedom movement infiltrating roles with the local and state party and .gov's, not to mention the spectacle to behold in Tampa at the Repub convention. RP can't even control the delegates, they have a mind and will of their own and many couldn't give a rats ass less about the R party, only its destruction or complete takeover. IMO this will be THE convention of our lifetime.

In a way though I'm a little relieved that RP won't be POTUS in the coming years, I know that sounds odd but I can just see the blame game that would take place and how he'd be blamed for the collapse.

As for him throttling back the campaign, IDK, it's all supposition and guessing but things changed right after the Bernanke breakfast. I don't think he ever cared about the threats to himself personally but what about his entire family or even an entire town/city? Maybe he was told of the immenent coming collapse and he'd rather be the one to step in at that point and help rather than be the one who takes the fall for it? Your guess is as good as mine.

[trilochana.nejman]

So what?


Tools have many uses.


Ron Paul is still valuable for some uses, but was never viable as a President, because the shot-callers don't want him there.


I've supported Ron Paul by word of mouth to others, but I'm not a voting man for political reasons. I never thought he would be President, and if the shot-callers allowed him to be President, it would be because they were setting him up to be some kind of patsy/fall guy.


That being said, I've met the man, and his heart is in the right place. Ron Paul knows the score, but he is doing his part.

[irrehoobe]

He has supported the official standing on the events of 9/11 from day one.

Just saying.

In 08 I saw a YT of a girl who asked him about 9/11 and he didn't refute her claims about it being an inside job but he stated there needed to be another investigation and that he was too busy fighting the Fed etc to take that on. He was clearly taken off guard but he didn't say anything about the scary mooslems.

[trilochana.nejman]

In 08 I saw a YT of a girl who asked him about 9/11 and he didn't refute her claims about it being an inside job but he stated there needed to be another investigation and that he was too busy fighting the Fed etc to take that on. He was clearly taken off guard but he didn't say anything about the scary mooslems.

Yep. I think Ron Paul's position on 9/11 is one of "choose your battles".


I do believe he knows a good deal more than he lets on.

[Grenader]

I agree with you JJ.

I said this years ago on GSUS: History is the TRUTH. History is REALITY.

There is not one example in the entire recorded human history, where an Empire grew to this size and power, and yet was able to be reversed through 'voting'. This is LAUHABLE.

No population has EVER returned their country back to individual freedom without the USE OF FORCE.

Our Republic has degenerated into a Democracy, just like Jefferson said it would.

EVIL CRIMINALS are in power. Do you suppose they operate using morals truth and reality? Not a fucking chance. They operate using FORCE and COERCION. Force and Coersion only understand one thing: A Superior Force and Coercion.

Here is the best part: With all of the control TPTB have over us, WE STILL VOTE WITH OUR DOLLARS. This means that all of America could still; if they werent busy DESTROYING each other; could come together and take down giant industries EASILY. EASILY.

So America gets what it deserves: Tyranny and Despotism.

[trilochana.nejman]

First... everybody - Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from and responding with civil feedback.

It just seemed to me that over the course of the campaign that many of you were financially and emotionally invested and I was afraid that I'd be seen as bashing RP supporters.
I'm not - but as to this:

I was neither financially nor emotionally invested, buy I did and do support him by word of mouth.



Here's what: He's running for the freeking presidency. This is what was being represented. If all he was doing is affecting a paradigm shift in politics, then he misrepresented his role (read suckered people) and took campaign contributions (read suckered people x2) knowing full well he'd never be potus. Right. I agree. I don't hold the man up on a pedestal. That being said, he's still leaps and bounds more genuine than the other contenders, right? And his voting record as a congressman is the closest there is to perfect as has been achieved.

Tools are how the ELITE view the proles. I cannot consider RP a tool of my agenda. I don't use people. I however have no problem seeing that the elite used him as a tool against Freedom lovers - making them, in my view, suckers. (x3) I mean that Ron Paul knows that he is a tool of the elite, but he tries to counter by using himself, his name, and his record for the cause of Liberty, in ways he deems proper or in ways in which he thinks is actually possible. A great deal of supporters knew he had no chance, and many doubted if he were "in it to win it", but you know what? Ron Paul people are gun owners. They are "preppers". They at least know that something is wrong in the "land of the free". I'd rather have "Ron Paul" neighbors than "Obama" neighbors.


I understand this in the context of him being a public servant but that kinda gets rolled over when I consider how disingenuous the whole process was. But what can little ole Ron Paul do about anything?

[trilochana.nejman]

Also, I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with your OP/your post from the other thread.

It is what it is.

[Flankrene]

" I'M A LOYAL REPUBLICAN RON. THE PARTY IS EVERYTHING TO ME."

Yep, that's a picture, but it doesn't really address his voting record in congress... Try again maybe?

[Metalhead]

Yes we saw the same thing in 2008. It was in 2008 that I realized Ron Paul wasn't trying to win the presidency. I mean he really gave up early there.

I'm still not sure that he's trying now, either. However, I appreciate the fact that he's trying to make everyone (in debates) sweat. He's making TPTB uncomfortable even if he isn't doing what I would do to unthrone them.

Yeah, Ron Paul hasn't accomlished EVERYTHING we wanted him to. But he's the only one talking about libertarian concepts at all, so he's good enough.

[freddystone]

I don't like what is happening either. I am holding out for the possibility that he is purposely lying low so the Repub. Party does not find some way to disqualify him. I am also aware that a lot of his delegates are going to do what they want, even if Ron Paul asks them to support Romney. So I say let him continue to get delegates, and let them try and vote him in.

[trilochana.nejman]

I know.. I guess I just don't like to see people getting taken advantage of - (all the "sucker" ref's ) Especially hate to see the hopes of the "Freedom Movement" (doncha love lables?) misplaced.

Frankly, the Freedom Movement hasn't MOVED anything. All that talk about waking people up and hearts and minds and all that is BS.

Here's what has happened-

The Moneypowers have held us off for just a little longer, while they got a little richer, and lived it up for a little longer, poisoned alot more people, gained MUCH more control and power,
ALL WHILE THE FUCKING RON PAUL BANDWAGON WAS ROLLING ALONG.

yeah it kinda pisses me off.

eta: to answer the quoted question-

I kind of wish he would have stayed out of the way but that's just me monday morning qb'ing

I hear ya, but by "stayed out of the way", what exactly do you mean? If Ron Paul hadn't run in 2008 and 2012, do you really think the people that eventually turned to support him would have otherwise done anything against the banksters/moneymasters?

I don't see Ron Paul as a "containment vehicle" or something like that, because before he became better known publicly, there wouldn't have been as much of a "movement", real or imagined, to contain. His presidential campaigns precipitate(d) a change in thought in a continually-growing segment of the population, away from not giving a fuck, to at least having their eyes open to some if not all of the many frauds that are being committed against them.

I see Ron Paul as a net gain for Liberty, even though he is by no means a cure-all.

If nothing else, Ron Paul supporters make good neighbors, like Mormons. I don't agree completely with the Mormons either, but there are many bigger problems than Ron Paul or Mormons or whatever.

[freddystone]

yep...

Do not make this about the Catholic Church in general. This is an Americanist issue. The Church in the US does have its own "special" character in some quarters.


http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ge-weigel?pg=1




It also includes a modernist issue (which permeates more than just the Catholic Church):

http://www.cfnews.org/page10/page34/...Modernist.html

[Marat]

I removed my name from the Voting registration years ago, but i still used word of mouth to show people who RP was. Actually, i have woken up many people over the years who follow RP die hard now. So in that respect, RP and his philosophy have been a great help to wake up the sheople.

BUT,

At some point guess what has happened? We have all become the most educated prisoners in the concentration camp.

I have wasted a lot of time learning how i got here, instead of doing something to get me out of it. People need to look in the mirror and admit that to themsleves. The problem with the average American, RP and voting, is that somewhere in their subconscious they want some one else to fix this problem. They want some one else to have to do the dirty work, so they dont have to.

Its just another form of limited liability.

[9uWzBx4l]

....BUT,

At some point guess what has happened? We have all become the most educated prisoners in the concentration camp.

I have wasted a lot of time learning how i got here, instead of doing something to get me out of it. People need to look in the mirror and admit that to themsleves. The problem with the average American, RP and voting, is that somewhere in their subconscious they want some one else to fix this problem. They want some one else to have to do the dirty work, so they dont have to.

Its just another form of limited liability.

THAT is what I'm talking about.

right on.

[orapope]

When am I going to get off the Ron Paul bandwagon...NEVER.

It is the right idea and idea's are all that matter.

[bonyclayd]

Nobody in our lifetime has turned people onto the freedom message like Ron Paul has, bar none, and add to the fact that it keeps growing by word of mouth among the people it's a very powerful thing.

I used to preach it 25-30 years ago and now look at what has happened, it would have NEVER happened without RP! Hell, 25-30 years ago most of you would have told me I'm a fucking nut bag.