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Old 06-02-2012, 06:21 PM   #21
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Great looking and performing little car ain't it. You just gotta love Audi.
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:46 PM   #22
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Good move with the manual - the 'automatic' would possibly be the DSG and there are a LOT of unhappy owners of those as they have a lot of problems and VAG seems to consider a 33k mile/3 1/2 year old car as 'old' - leaving owners with multi thousand pound repair bills for a known design problem!
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:49 PM   #23
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Good move with the manual - the 'automatic' would possibly be the DSG and there are a LOT of unhappy owners of those as they have a lot of problems
What are you basing this on? Complaints on the internet? Satisfied people don't generally report it. I imagine if you did something scientific like work out what percentage of VAG DSG owner are unhappy out of the total purchasers you might get a better report. Or is this all just another Gordo assumption of the truth?
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:57 PM   #24
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Doh, if they don't have the problem, they won't complain, will they?

I'm on a couple of forums, for European cars and VAGs (that's VolksWagon Audi Group to you!) where there have been numerous instances of controller failures, usually resulting in lack of a gear being engaged but sometimes two engaged at the same time. Sadly, it's not only the couple of grand for the controllers but several more for a full gearbox replacement. heck, one of the VAG dealers down here has seven awaiting replacement gearboxes from Germany. part of that is that VAG, in their infinite wisdom, only allow certain transmission/engine combinations for different models and the Diesel Golfs sold here seem to just be available as a manual or DSG 'automatic'.
VAG has been trying to avoid responsability, such as in the instance of the (UK) vehicle I mentioned. At least one failure was 10 days after receiving delivery of the new vehicle.
Unlike you, who prefers talking out your *******, I have some facts to work on - hey, you drunk?
A "LOT" doesn't mean every, or most, it means a number greater than several*.

Try doing some checking next time, it may break you of your tendency to make a twit of yourself.

Fortunately the family VAG's aren't affected as the niece's Golf is a true automatic and my sister's Audi is a manual. They've both been very happy with them


*chance for him to find a definition that takes issue with that
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:24 PM   #25
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Doh, if they don't have the problem, they won't complain, will they?
*facepalm* What I mean is that if you got everyone to write a review the sample of people with problems would probably look tiny. It's a well known truism that people generally don't take time to say something works well.

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Unlike you, who prefers talking out your *******
Hahahahaha - seriously Gordo? You think you're an expert on every subject under the sun because someone's brother's cousin's daughter's wife once told you a story about it.

The fact is, you talk complete crap about most things and then back-peddle and make stuff up to try and rescue the situation on an almost daily basis.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:30 PM   #26
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Good move with the manual - the 'automatic' would possibly be the DSG and there are a LOT of unhappy owners of those as they have a lot of problems and VAG seems to consider a 33k mile/3 1/2 year old car as 'old' - leaving owners with multi thousand pound repair bills for a known design problem!
Nonsense.

Have you even owned a car with an S-Tronic transmission? I doubt that. I did and I can tell you it was flawless.

Facts, heh.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:35 PM   #27
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*chance for him to find a definition that takes issue with that
Why don't you learn to use a dictionary? Just because *you think* it means that doesn't actually mean it means that.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lot

I bet you find people roll their eyes at you a lot, don't you.

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Have you even owned a car with an S-Tronic transmission? I doubt that. I did and I can tell you it was flawless.
Of course he hasn't, but he read a story on the internet which says it's true

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(that's VolksWagon Audi Group to you!)
Trust me Gordo, the actual facts that I know about cars are far more than you (if you take away all the BS you have decided in your head is true).
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:46 PM   #28
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I have a manual (and in fact the 5-cylinder 2.5l, not the TDI) because I love manual transmission. But, AFAIK the DSG is very reliable - I've never heard any complaints.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #29
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But, AFAIK the DSG is very reliable
It can't be. Gordo has just told us it's completely unreliable across the board and he's always right about everything.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:50 PM   #30
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It can't be. Gordo has just told us it's completely unreliable across the board and he's always right about everything.
Are you trying to replace EaG as the forum Troll, because your going the right way about it.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:18 PM   #31
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The biggest issue with DSG transmissions is the maintenance of them. You MUST absolutely change the fluid every 40k miles. Sooner if you drive hard. Dealers charge at least $500 for the change. If you don't change the fluid, then the components will wear out and you will be in for a VERY expensive rebuild. DSG style transmissions are NOT cheap.

Compared to a true manual they are infinitely more expensive. True manual cars are basically fill for life, have no fluid pumps or anything else of the sort. Most people get 75k to 100k out of a clutch.

Automatics should probably be serviced every 50k or so. Honestly, for the cost of draining it and filling it I'd be doing it a hell of alot more often than that. I'd honestly do it annually because Autotrans fluid is very particular, it has alot of lubricants and detergents in it compared to motor oil.

Cheap trick, in most cars you can substitute 1qt of Trans fluid for your engine oil change and run that for 500-1000 miles or so, then change the fluid again. The detergents in the 1qt of trans fluid will absolutely kill any sludge and stuff. If the engine has never had this done, and its a high mileage engine I wouldn't recommend it though. It could get enough sludge and crap to clog the filter.

Hence the very short interval you should be running the substituted quart.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:14 AM   #32
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Nice car, but the only thing I don't like so much about the Audi A1 are the tail lights.

Have fun though, Audi makes quality and you know: Audi fahren macht Spaß !
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:15 AM   #33
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I have a manual (and in fact the 5-cylinder 2.5l, not the TDI) because I love manual transmission. But, AFAIK the DSG is very reliable - I've never heard any complaints.
Agreed, the DSG's are actually quite reliable. The only real argument I see between Manuals and DSG's is their fuel economy difference, which personally, I think comes more from driving techniques then actual design differences.

Most of my cars have been manuals, but I decided to go with the DSG in my TDI because of the traffic where I live.

The biggest issue with DSG transmissions is the maintenance of them. You MUST absolutely change the fluid every 40k miles. Sooner if you drive hard. Dealers charge at least $500 for the change. If you don't change the fluid, then the components will wear out and you will be in for a VERY expensive rebuild. DSG style transmissions are NOT cheap.

Compared to a true manual they are infinitely more expensive. True manual cars are basically fill for life, have no fluid pumps or anything else of the sort. Most people get 75k to 100k out of a clutch.
For the DIYers, the costs really aren't to bad. There is a way to service the transmission that requires less fluid the the "OEM" method, and will run you about $110 for fluid and filters. The OEM method actually wastes 1.5 litres of fluid, and since the fluid is about $20 a litre, that's some costly waste.

And the 40k change is just a guideline. You can go past it a few thousand miles without permanent damage. It's like the Timing Belt on the CR TDI's. The scheduled change is around 120k miles regardless of the state the belt is in. It doesn't mean the belt is bad and not able to do it's job still, it's just so the belt does not have the opportunity to fail and cause damage.

And I've seen a bunch of guys recommending a fluid change even for the Manual Transmissions, but not nearly as frequent.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:16 AM   #34
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The biggest issue with DSG transmissions is the maintenance of them. You MUST absolutely change the fluid every 40k miles. Sooner if you drive hard. Dealers charge at least $500 for the change. If you don't change the fluid, then the components will wear out and you will be in for a VERY expensive rebuild. DSG style transmissions are NOT cheap.

Compared to a true manual they are infinitely more expensive. True manual cars are basically fill for life, have no fluid pumps or anything else of the sort. Most people get 75k to 100k out of a clutch.

Automatics should probably be serviced every 50k or so. Honestly, for the cost of draining it and filling it I'd be doing it a hell of alot more often than that. I'd honestly do it annually because Autotrans fluid is very particular, it has alot of lubricants and detergents in it compared to motor oil.

Cheap trick, in most cars you can substitute 1qt of Trans fluid for your engine oil change and run that for 500-1000 miles or so, then change the fluid again. The detergents in the 1qt of trans fluid will absolutely kill any sludge and stuff. If the engine has never had this done, and its a high mileage engine I wouldn't recommend it though. It could get enough sludge and crap to clog the filter.

Hence the very short interval you should be running the substituted quart.
I MUST add to your comment that ONLY ORIGINAL transmission oil should be used. ONLY! It may be that with different brand/different oil recepy the DSG transmission will act not as smooth.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:13 AM   #35
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Had to work on an A1 a couple of weeks ago. Brand new with only 252 miles on it. New quarter panel and door. Took my an hour to find out that the annoying "note Deadlocks" message on the mfd was supposed to be there. I spent half an hour trying to reset the thing .

Always liked VAG cars. They have a superb build quality. My last 5 new cars have been VAG, but I'm looking to get the new Hyundai I30 next year. Will be speccing it up as well. (Leather interior, panoramic sunroof, keyless entry, Style Nav model)
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:18 AM   #36
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It can't be. Gordo has just told us it's completely unreliable across the board and he's always right about everything.
Gordo is an expert on cars... just ask Will.
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:06 AM   #37
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Gordo is an expert on cars... just ask Will.
I am staying way the **** out of this one.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:01 AM   #38
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I MUST add to your comment that ONLY ORIGINAL transmission oil should be used. ONLY! It may be that with different brand/different oil recepy the DSG transmission will act not as smooth.
Well, I left it as assumed that one would use the OEM spec'ed fluid. Aka, GM transmissions like Dexron III/IV depending on the year.

GM also spec's Dexron III automatic transmission fluid for the Borg-Warner T56 6spd manual transmission. But you can also run the Synchromesh stuff if you have upgraded shift fork pads. The Synchromesh has a much better feel, but it will turn the OEM stock shift fork pads into mush.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:32 AM   #39
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Well, I left it as assumed that one would use the OEM spec'ed fluid. Aka, GM transmissions like Dexron III/IV depending on the year.

GM also spec's Dexron III automatic transmission fluid for the Borg-Warner T56 6spd manual transmission. But you can also run the Synchromesh stuff if you have upgraded shift fork pads. The Synchromesh has a much better feel, but it will turn the OEM stock shift fork pads into mush.
I wouldn't do anything at all without checking with Gordo.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:24 PM   #40
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I wouldn't do anything at all without checking with Gordo.
And I was just about to take a dump...
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