[Payodcapy542fro]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/u-s-bill...2015-cars.html

The bill, called “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act”, needs to be approved by the U.S. House of Representatives before it can become a law.

Some of the bill’s opponents have said that it is a way to invade the privacy of motorists. The bill addresses this issue and clearly states that any data stored in the recorder will be the sole property of the car’s owner. If the car is leased, the data will belong to the lessee.

However, recorded data will be accessible by someone other than the owner if a court order is issued, if it is needed for a police investigation or if it is needed by emergency medical workers in the event of an accident. The owner of the car will be able authorize anyone to access the data for any reason.

The bill does not specify what data the recorder will need to store. Elements that are likely to be retained include the speed and roll angle of the vehicle, the time of airbag deployment and the throttle position.

Data recorders (often called black boxes) have been found in a lot of new cars for years but they were put there by the automakers by choice, not by law. This possible law both worries me and makes me laugh. For if it passes and becomes a requirement, much like any form on encryption the communities will band together and create ways to defeat it. No matter what security measures they put in place people will still find ways to defeat it.

Me? I'm completely against it. The government does not have any right to know the day to day minutia of how I drive my car. I will either never buy a newer car, or I'll find ways of of disabling it.

[MormefWrarebe]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/u-s-bill...2015-cars.html



This possible law both worries me and makes me laugh. For if it passes and becomes a requirement, much like any form on encryption the communities will band together and create ways to defeat it. No matter what security measures they put in place people will still find ways to defeat it.

Me? I'm completely against it. The government does not have any right to know the day to day minutia of how I drive my car. I will either never buy a newer car, or I'll find ways of of disabling it.

While I agree with you, I could see them putting in a law that would make it illegal to disable. Much like the emission system on all our cars.

[Ervins Dervish]

While I agree with you, I could see them putting in a law that would make it illegal to disable. Much like the emission system on all our cars.

Thats why I laugh.

[Roneyslelry]

Stuff like this always reminds me of that quote from Star Wars:
The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

[rionetrozasa]

Yeah and then he blew up her planet. Owned.

[Penisvergroesserung]

Not up for this in the slightest, thanks for the heads up though.

[UTHZzJ6f]

Thats why I laugh.

Nah what I find funny is the fact that you're considering buying a car made after 2015 at all. :P

But seriously, if you have a crash and you've effectively disabled your black box, I would expect all manner of **** to rain down on you. Especially considering a savvy IT guy could get most of that same data from the built in Satnav you'll have installed anyway.

[formobilagsw]

Nah what I find funny is the fact that you're considering buying a car made after 2015 at all. :P

But seriously, if you have a crash and you've effectively disabled your black box, I would expect all manner of **** to rain down on you. Especially considering a savvy IT guy could get most of that same data from the built in Satnav you'll have installed anyway.

Still wouldn't stop me from disabling it if I had a way.

[margoaroyo]

Seems like an un-needed expense as it will serve no real purpose other than aiding law officers to make owners effectively self incriminate themselves.
Now, if they made it a requirement for new vehicles to have it as an aoption, and the sole ownership and access to be by, or at the express permission of, the owner, I would expect it to be a good thing. If it was permissible to be accessed by investigative authorities or the manufacturers who just wanted to find what happened, and by that I mean other than Police using it to charge the driver, I would probably support that too.

Besides which, if an owner wanted something like this, they can already access it from the aftermarket, can't they!

[Seesspoxy]

I have heard of something similar to this. What I heard is that those boxes recorded just 30 seconds of data or something like that. Something like that I am not totally against. With just the little amount of data that might be recorded it would be more like the black box is for aircraft. Helpful in scenarios no one ever wants to find themselves in.


If it was to record hours, days, weeks, months, years worth of data I would be 100% against it.
If it does pass, at least we can retain our privacy (somewhat) by buying used.



Those of you whom are 100% against it, even at all levels of recorded data due to privacy, do you do all that you possibly can to retain your privacy online? I'd be 1000% more worried about getting that fixed as much as possible before getting scared about black boxes in vehicles.

[ceagstuntee]

Yeah and then he blew up her planet. Owned.

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[BrianGoldsmith]

Those of you whom are 100% against it, even at all levels of recorded data due to privacy, do you do all that you possibly can to retain your privacy online? I'd be 1000% more worried about getting that fixed as much as possible before getting scared about black boxes in vehicles.

There's a difference between letting people invade my privacy on the lawless interwebs and the government making laws that force people to invade my privacy. But in the event I do want to cover my tracks then I'll take steps to ensure I don't leave a trail on the internet.

[DeilMikina]

Too bad Ted Kennedy's not around these days, he'd be all over preventing this from passing!!! Just 'sayin!

[BgpOoGI2]

What's next, data recorders for bowel movements..

Dangermoose's would return too much data.

[arerrurrY]

Dangermoose's would return too much data.

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[inve.tment]

There's a difference between letting people invade my privacy on the lawless interwebs and the government making laws that force people to invade my privacy. But in the event I do want to cover my tracks then I'll take steps to ensure I don't leave a trail on the internet.

Yes there is a difference, but the interwebs is still and should be a much larger concern. Fix that and just don't buy a car post 2015. If there is a law against disabling it, just make it look like a malfuction.

Plus, even if this law doesn't pass, I wouldn't be surprised if corporations put these in volunteeringly. Maybe have it as a "safety" feature. I think some cars already come with a "black" box.

[formobilagsw]

Yes there is a difference, but the interwebs is still and should be a much larger concern. Fix that and just don't buy a car post 2015. If there is a law against disabling it, just make it look like a malfuction.

Plus, even if this law doesn't pass, I wouldn't be surprised if corporations put these in volunteeringly. Maybe have it as a "safety" feature. I think some cars already come with a "black" box.

OnStar?

[icedrakona]

Im not sure if OnStar does what a black box does, but they do a lot of stuff that is for sure. Who knows what they do even if you are not paying the subscription. Then companies have their own version on OnStar as well.

IMO, black boxes having a memory of only the last 30 seconds or so would be good. Well not good for those who caused an accident.

[Sensbachtal]

What's next, data recorders for bowel movements..

Cheese tax... (you heard it here first)

[sueplydup]

IIRC, some ECUs (Engine Control Units - many other names for them) can record the maximum RPM and, if applicable, maximum boost for warranty purposes. Some sort of memory for the last xx seconds wouldn't hurt either for performance engines that may be 'operated outside their design paramaters'.
As has been said several times by others, I don't like the idea they could be used against the driver - I can just see a few years in the future when a cop pulls over a driver, plugs in a diagnostics machine and gives a ticket for something they'd done a couple of days earlier...

On a related topic, a few weeks ago a young woman had her car impounded and as she had a device for locating the vehicle and logging it's position and speed, etc, she was shocked to find the towing company had taken it out for a quick drive - double the speed limit at times. last I heard, the Police were investigating the towing company and they no longer had a contract with them.

Ah, the company owner has been charged with vehicle conversion - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10807732

Some of you may remember the thread a few years back about the brain dead 'mechanic' who took a customers Ford Mustang for a joy ride on a deserted airstip - he was caught, then fired, because he posted it on-line with the registration plate details - with data logging, the 'mechanic' may not have abused the vehicle? Certainly may have an affect on others who abuse customers' cars.