[Vegeinvalge]

Did anyone else see those bad FCC's? HAHAHAHAHA!

Especially the Memoria Rex Van-Delden.

[Tveabuti]

I'd like to know about the Paph. Chiu Hua Dancer: who is Springwater orchids and Thanh Nguyen? AOS judging only allows for awarding of this hybrid if the plants originated from Glen Decker, and will not award controversial species abroad. I had this plant, with paperwork from Glen, awarded and the award subsequently nullified.

Anyone know how to file a grievance? My plant is better anyway...

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I can't offer any insight on the Paph. Memoria Rex Van-Delden (it may need a more creative explanation than I could come up with), but the photo of the Phalaenopsis John Naugle has been stretched so far out of aspect ratio it is absolutely unrecognizable. A real shame - I saw this flower in person and it is the most spectacular huge, ROUND white phalaenopsis of the heaviest substance one could imagine - nothing like the freakish stretched out pathetic mess depicted in the magazine photo.

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This (usa-illegal plants getting AOS awards in international shows) is on the agenda at Wichita. Act fast, Wichita is coming up at the end of this month. And no. I don't know how to spell Whichita. Wichita. Wixita.*G*

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[GinaIsWild]

if they are judging plants in another country, then they should judge plants that are legal to have in that country. very easy to determine, anything else is ........

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Thanks Roth. As always you information is interesting and thorough!

As for sponsoring Glen, over others. It was explained to me that AOS judges were recognizing his Chiu Hua Dancers as legit because Roddy Gabel at USFWS had recognized them as the only legal import of that hybrid. As for gigantifolium I don't know that status. Also, the information regarding that hybrid came to me as of November. As of January's CAIOS show, there was one illegal Chiu Hua Dancer exhibited there, but not judged.

Perhaps the status of Chiu Hua Dancer has changed? Anyone know?

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[houkbsdov]

Correct. You can import hybrids no problem.

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When you get plants inspected to export from outside and import, if the vendor documents and your paperwork says, "paphiopedilum hybrids", that usually gets CITES inspection approval. At least in my experience.

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That's another issue as well, in the Netherlands they made a lot of complex x helenae and complex x coccineum pot plants, that are legit under the tag 'Paphiopedilum hybrid. Same for Ho Chi Minh, used as pot plant...

Under the Lacey act, yes, but so far there has been legit import to the US, USFWS approved, of ALL the known species of Paphiopedilum, including hangianum, etc... under their legit name, well before Holger Perner or Glenn Decker did so... This includes even ooii, anitum, gigantifolium...

Now, as I said previously, many growers have legit gigantifolium, but they will not make invoices to you at any cost. One invoice of a legit gigantifolium, for one plant, can launder thousands of wild gigantifolium, seed grown from illegal parents, hybrids... I made that mistake years ago too, selling gigantifolium with invoice and CITES, thanks to me they are legal around the world, and only thanks to me, no one else...

I belive that the three people who imported ooii with a CITES ( one well known paph grower too...), or hangianum, some years ago in the USA, will NEVER issue any invoice. You pay in cash, get the plant, but they could not charge anyone the proper price for legalizing millions of plants by making an invoice... ( I do indeed have a CITES for ooii, but I will never release any plants of it with a copy of the CITES indeed...)

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You can get any paph in this country, you just have to know where/who. CITES enforcement in the USA is crippling the ability of vendors to sell crosses. A simpler annual comparison of which countries are registering hybrids will show this. Forget awards, think sales.