[Zhgpavye]

Memory-holed thread from GIM.

I have a couple. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anything ever happened in your life that you can't be sure was real, or if you dreamed it?

dys

[wrenjmerg]

On occasion yes, however atm I don't recall anything specific.

"...all the people you can't recall, do they really exist at all?"



"...life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves..." --Bill Hicks

[Emunsesoxmete]

When I have a dream/nightmare, I don't know if I'm awake or dreaming. I have never been uncertain of which it was while awake, nor nor have I ever had any spiritual or supernatural experience.

[Zhgrlpil]

Yes.

[2CNWXAqN]

Memory-holed thread from GIM.

I have a couple. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anything ever happened in your life that you can't be sure was real, or if you dreamed it?

dys

None here!

You really want to admit that you've from past incidences cannot discern reality from a dream?
You do realize this admission greatly reduces your creditability!

[Zhgpavye]

Yes.

Care to elaborate?

dys

[BinasiDombrs]

Memory-holed thread from GIM.

I have a couple. I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience? Has anything ever happened in your life that you can't be sure was real, or if you dreamed it?

dys

Read "Source Field Investigations" by David Wilcock. Great read to maybe help with those "dreams". Maybe, we're all living in a dream............

[Discus]

LOL.... uhh... I was smokin a doobie and I don't know if I was dreamin or it was real.... and uhh... I seen this cute little dog drop a doogie on the floor and then it turned into a unicorn.... and I guy wearing a turban cut his head off.... and just then a fairy princess flew in the window and reattached the head and made the turban guy smoke the doogie like my doobie. I am not sure if this was real or a dream.

[BinasiDombrs]

None here!

You really want to admit that you've from past incidences cannot discern reality from a dream?
You do realize this admission greatly reduces your creditability!

Great strides have been made in quantum physics and conceptual reality. How active conscious thought can change the reality we're in. I don't think dys's admission is any indication of "lack of credibility". If anything he/she isn't afraid to ask questions about something not fully understood by "modern/5 sense" science. There are numerous documented trials indicating the energies that surround us that we don't see or talk about. These energies heal/change/evolve on a continuous basis. I suggest you read the book that I recommended to dys and then think about who's credibility is possibly at stake............

[patuvammnogoo]

lol.... Uhh... I was smokin a doobie and i don't know if i was dreamin or it was real.... And uhh... I seen this cute little dog drop a doogie on the floor and then it turned into a unicorn.... And i guy wearing a turban cut his head off.... And just then a fairy princess flew in the window and reattached the head and made the turban guy smoke the doogie like my doobie. I am not sure if this was real or a dream.

f-a-r-r-r- o-u-t- d-u-d-e- n-o-o-o -- w-a-y- m - e- t-o-o -o-o--

[BinasiDombrs]

I read a ground breaking book by Dr. Stephen Laberge in the 80's. It was about lucid dreaming (consciously aware and awake in your dreams). Very interesting to say the least. It took some time to condition myself, but, blew me away when it started to work. It was great to be consciously aware while you dream. You can manipulate/change/do whatever. Hypnosis is another field of great discoveries. Tricking the the sub conscious mind to make the conscious mind feel/see/not see things or actions that are either not there or there. There is far more to this existence than what the five senses can show/prove to us. Study the pineal gland for example and see how it is worshipped by "all" religions around the world. The Vatican has representative pineal gland sculptures and symbolisms everywhere............

[patuvammnogoo]

[mr.supervideogoodfd]

We've taken the experience of the shamans/medicine men/priests and ridiculed them into oblivion with this "enlightened" style western culture and technology and now bring it back as "quantum physics" to the unbelieving masses, so as to be believed in once again. As for the doobie smokers, ancient cultures used hallucinating plants/elixirs to help them in their higher meditative states of enlightenment. Puff away, you're on the right path.......

[Discus]

On a serious side.... one thing I have noticed in dreams as I am waking up, is that many things do not translate into this world. As I am about to wake up I see two things happen. First, I realize that something very profound and complex is being worked over in my mind, but it fades quickly into a fog of confusion, impossibility and ridiculous thoughts as conscious waves of thought break through. Next, I can sometimes see pictures flashing in my mind at super-fast rates. Just like movie films in a theater flash frames of still shots, I see these and they jump from one topic to another with action happening from the sequence of the stills. They sometimes continue for a while as I lay awake in bed watching the movie.

[BinasiDombrs]

usually there is alcohol or pot involved with this kind of delusional thinking

We live in a world of delusional thinking. But, its not the only world out there.......... BTW, society uses booze/drugs to escape this circus we call home, whereas the ancients used drugs for enlightenment and to further understand the workings of the world and how they fit in..........


Remember, guns don't kill, idiots with guns kill..........

[wrenjmerg]

Great strides have been made in quantum physics and conceptual reality. How active conscious thought can change the reality we're in. I don't think dys's admission is any indication of "lack of credibility". If anything he/she isn't afraid to ask questions about something not fully understood by "modern/5 sense" science. There are numerous documented trials indicating the energies that surround us that we don't see or talk about. These energies heal/change/evolve on a continuous basis. I suggest you read the book that I recommended to dys and then think about who's credibility is possibly at stake............

+1

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[wrenjmerg]

On a serious side.... one thing I have noticed in dreams as I am waking up, is that many things do not translate into this world. As I am about to wake up I see two things happen. First, I realize that something very profound and complex is being worked over in my mind, but it fades quickly into a fog of confusion, impossibility and ridiculous thoughts as conscious waves of thought break through. Next, I can sometimes see pictures flashing in my mind at super-fast rates. Just like movie films in a theater flash frames of still shots, I see these and they jump from one topic to another with action happening from the sequence of the stills. They sometimes continue for a while as I lay awake in bed watching the movie.

One's subconscious is the part of one's self in direct contact with the Creator, one's conscious is the part of one's self most subject to being delusional - and this can have an impact on the subconscious. One's dreams are largely a result of one's own conscious programming.

And FWIW, I'd sooner trust the 'credibility' of someone who has had experience with naturally occurring hallucinogens* before I would someone who hasn't.

*the Creator put naturally occurring hallucinogens here for very good reason

[patuvammnogoo]

We've taken the experience of the shamans/medicine men/priests and ridiculed them into oblivion with this "enlightened" style western culture and technology and now bring it back as "quantum physics" to the unbelieving masses, so as to be believed in once again. As for the doobie smokers, ancient cultures used hallucinating plants/elixirs to help them in their higher meditative states of enlightenment. Puff away, you're on the right path.......

The shamans/medicine men are repulsed at pot smokers.
The true shamans have respect for the plants that they hold as sacred & use them in the highest amount of respect in themselves & their patients.
The act of using /smoking plants is used in a sacred healing ritual/s including sweat lodges, smudging, prayers, drumming, chanting, dreamcatchers, medicine wheels, laying on of hands, breathwork, bodywork, baths etc and on & on.

Just because someone uses pot doesn't classify them as being in the midst of a healing session no matter what anyone thinks.
It's more in the same lines as a doctor prescribing a drug for an ailment.

All of a sudden pot smokers who don't care anything about the healing qualities of hundreds of thousands of plants become experts on the miraculous healing of marijuana because it makes them HIGH and able to get to an "enlightment state" and they're helping themselves to 'heal".

If someone is going to smoke it, smoke away. I don't care. I know lots of pot smokers. They've passed them around right in front of me. At the very least there is nothing wrong with a potsmoker admitting that they use it to relax or they use it because they like the high feeling or they're using it for whatever reason, but to compare it to how the medicine men use it is disrespectful unless you're using it they way they do....in healing / curing the whole entire body/mind/spirit with a whole entire natural healing program not just one modality like smoking some herb.

[MYMcvBgl]

LOL.... uhh... I was smokin a doobie and I don't know if I was dreamin or it was real.... and uhh... I seen this cute little dog drop a doogie on the floor and then it turned into a unicorn.... and I guy wearing a turban cut his head off.... and just then a fairy princess flew in the window and reattached the head and made the turban guy smoke the doogie like my doobie. I am not sure if this was real or a dream.

What was that doobie laced with?

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[TornadoPD]

The shamans/medicine men are repulsed at pot smokers. STOP IT! Just stop it!

How many ayahausca ceremonies have you participated in? How many times have you broken through? You've never traveled astrally on anything stronger than red clover, and I get tired of your negative attitude towards people who are more adventurous than you in the spiritual and botanical realms.

If it makes them feel spiritual, you have no right to tell them otherwise. You aren't in their head and don't have access to their thoughts. You have no grounds to tell them they have not had a shamanic experience. You quite simply do not have that information.

Don't seek to limit what experiences others have had for the sake of your own categorization of them. I have a very serious problem with the way you always tear people down about them doing plant based drugs "The wrong way" because they are not emulating the specific culture you believe has all the answers. You quite frankly do not know what combinations of plants people are taking, but the moment anybody mentions cannabis you're the first to let everyone know what a shitty choice you think that is.

Thousands of shamanic cultures have been lost to history. You can't possibly have knowledge of a majority of them. You have no basis for telling people they are doing plant medicine "Wrong".