[Assunkkensatt]

In Sweden it's 15$/Day.. No insurance needed. Maybe Socialism isn't that bad after all eh

Let me explain it to you this way:
1. it's not $15/day
2. it's not the same healthcare
3. it's much easier to run a healthcare system for cheap, when another country foots the bill for all the R&D

[rhiniddibiarmr]

Let me explain it to you this way:
1. it's not $15/day
2. it's not the same healthcare
3. it's much easier to run a healthcare system for cheap, when another country foots the bill for all the R&D

It also doesn't hurt when they disregard their defense (all of europe for 60+ years). 300 billion would be saved overnight if the US pulled it's equipment and troops out of the EU and quit protecting their oil supply in the ME. They are freaking out over 1 time bailouts of 300b for the PIGS. The sky will fall when it is required of them every year.

[DoctorNiCYDEn]

300 billion would be saved overnight if the US pulled it's equipment and troops out of the EU and quit protecting their oil supply in the ME.

Come on. Where did you get that figure? There are only, what, 100,000 US troops in Europe? How much would you save by moving bases from Europe to the US? And it's not like the personnel would just disappear. And what are all those US forces actually doing in Europe, anyway? I'm guessing sightseeing.

Both Europeans and Americans would benefit from Americans closing their bases abroad (and ending government handouts to the Israeli and Egyptian militaries).

[mymnduccete]

Come on. Where did you get that figure? There are only, and what, 100,000 US troops in Europe? How much would you save by moving bases from Europe to the US? And it's not like the personnel would just disappear. And what are all those US forces are actually doing in Europe, anyway? I'm guessing sightseeing.

Both Europeans and Americans would benefit from Americans closing their bases abroad (and ending government handouts to the Israeli and Egyptian military).

Equipment, equipment, equipment. I don't just mean what is in europe but our navy, air force, which has to supplement theirs, not to mention the nuclear umbrella. They can't run a campaign in tiny ass Libya without the US first destroying all the hardened targets, then we have to give them ordinance, and coordinate, and supply the intelligence. We spend ~150b a year on supplementing their nato obligations, and about the same either bribing or protecting their oil.

Our military budget in reality ~ 700+b a year (the wars are supplemental and not even a part of this figure). Almost half is protecting them or their interests. Look at what the US spends on nato, and what the rest of nato spends on nato. Then get back to me.

Think of it this way: Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy won't be spending anything on nato. The rest of nato countries combined = less than $200b. That is their entire military budget excluding canada/japan/non euro countries.

It cost 10b a month in either war theatre to pay for 100k troops. So, 5-6b a month to feed, house and pay salaries of the 100k troops stationed in Europe. 70b a year before equipment, maintenance fuel, training, medical, moving them etc. And what is it really for? What does it get us? Luke warm friends at best? South americans would be much cheaper, much friendlier and in our hemisphere. And the best part. They are the future, not the past.

I am not Ron Paul when it comes to diplomacy, but there is no reason for the US to have 1 troop or 1 piece of equipment in Europe. And if that means russia moves in to fill our spot... well, have fun with that europe.

[sallythetolly]

Let me explain it to you this way:
1. it's not $15/day
2. it's not the same healthcare
3. it's much easier to run a healthcare system for cheap, when another country foots the bill for all the R&D

If I have to be hospitalized I pay 15$/day. That includes everything. It doesn't matter if I'm there for a headache or a heart transplant. That's what I meant with 15$/day..
What do you mean not the same healthcare? If you are implying that ours is worse than yours you need to do your homework.

R&D? Research and development? I don't understand.. Do you mean that Sweden, doesn't R&D "Medicals"? Please tell me you don't mean that..


And: In Sweden we pay a minimum of 30% in tax on our salary. We then pay 25-50% tax on everything we buy. That's a lot of tax and we hate it.
BUT: We get healthcare "for free", good (one of the best) education systems, and we have a very small number of homeless and criminal people. We used to have the best welfare in the world but that no:1 spot now belong to Norway (I think)
We don't need a pro military force. We are not the world police. If we need it, we call you. You pay. Thanks btw

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Much easier to provide healthcare to 9.3 million as opposed to 400 million.

No it's not, just TAX TAX TAX. Fixed

[BrifsGefel]

If I have to be hospitalized I pay 15$/day. That includes everything. It doesn't matter if I'm there for a headache or a heart transplant. That's what I meant with 15$/day..
What do you mean not the same healthcare? If you are implying that ours is worse than yours you need to do your homework.

R&D? Research and development? I don't understand.. Do you mean that Sweden, doesn't R&D "Medicals"? Please tell me you don't mean that..


And: In Sweden we pay a minimum of 30% in tax on our salary. We then pay 25-50% tax on everything we buy. That's a lot of tax and we hate it.
BUT: We get healthcare "for free", good (one of the best) education systems, and we have a very small number of homeless and criminal people. We used to have the best welfare in the world but that no:1 spot now belong to Norway (I think)
We don't need a pro military force. We are not the world police. If we need it, we call you. You pay. Thanks btw

--- Post Update ---


No it's not, just TAX TAX TAX. Fixed

Yeah, that just won't work here.

[HagsPusia]

Maybe he didn't go through it again because he knew he wouldn't be able to handle the rigors of an American medical school.

Pathetic.

There speaks someone who I guarantee has not been through either medical school or business school once, let alone twice.......

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