[wbeachcomber]

I can't be bothered because I don't see much merit in the cause.

[boanuatiguali]

You going to get $5,000 by getting the biggest posse to mass vote? As opposed to actually being deserving or having the best entry?

[Ettiominiw]

Voted, not because I have a deep seated belief in youth rights, but I voted because ozzy is a decent guy and all he is asking is for me to put a name and email address in to help him in something that means a lot to him

Same

[oxinsnepe]

I voted as well, but I stand by my convictions!

[sasaderesada]

Vote cast.

[Tjfyojlg]

Ja, Herr Fritzl.

[Injurnerona]

We are just like 5 votes away from first place!!! Only one day to go!

Please vote if you haven't yet! We're so close!!
http://whenlifegetslegal.findlaw.com/entries/93718

[AntonayPina]

Ozzy may be a decent guy (I don't know; never met him), but that doesn't change the fact that interest groups like his are destroying America and other democracies around the globe.

[AntonayPina]

Just doing my part to make the "California Love" video a reality.

[Ilaubuas]

Wouldn't that just split the vote?

[prearpaccew]

Is submitting multiple entries against the rules?

[Assentesy]

Oh, man.

We need to go all out in the next three days to win this contest on FindLaw.com. A week ago we held onto first place by 20 votes, now we've dropped to FOURTH place. First place has 50 votes more than us.

We absolutely need to make this ground up. First only has 210 votes total, WE CAN DO THIS! We got over 2,000 votes for the Chase contest, we can absolutely get 200-300 to win this contest. We absolutely have to.

The single most effective thing you can do is ask people you know individually to vote. Have them vote right then and there while talking to them. Last week, just by talking to people on Facebook, many of whom had no connection to NYRA, I was able to get 20 votes in an hour. If everyone on the forum did the same thing we could easily get into first place and win the $5,000.

Here is a sample script for walking people through voting on AIM or Facebook chat:
You - Hey
Them(estimate) - What's up?
You - Do you have a sec to help me win $5,000 for a good cause?
Them(estimate) - Sure, what do I have to do?
You - Awesome! It is easy, just go and vote here: http://whenlifegetslegal.findlaw.com/entries#93718
You - Click "Vote for This Entry" and then login with Facebook.
You - After you login you'll need to click to vote again, make sure you vote for "Late-night research: Defending youth rights" by Philip Nadel.
Them - Ok, done.
You - Great!! Thank you so much, this means a lot to me, you really helped us out.

That is all there is to it. I used virtually this same script and got 20 votes in an hour. You can do the exact same thing. You really NEED to do it if we have a chance of winning.

The contest ends on December 31, we have to sprint to the finish here. NYRA needs to win this thing, and we need your help. http://forums.youthrights.org/showthread.php?21633-Vote-for-Jeff!

[Longwow]

My sense of fair play is deeply offended.

[Tw1anJOO]

If someone really thinks a particular cause is worthy of the vote above all the others, then great. If someone votes without really knowing or caring about what they're voting for (or the alternatives), then not-great.

I voted for the one about the legal rights to film a street view of a government building (non-military) in a city. Or would have done if I didn't have to register and stuff. I noted the way the facebook voting thing gives the site access to various personal details and the right to spam your wall. No thanks.

[GutleNus]

So what will your cut of the winnings be, K-P?

[Avgustslim]

Not spamming? You've got a ****ing script you're pushing to cold-call votes!

You need a ****ing reality check. Trolling is trying to provoke reactions for a laugh. This, on the other hand, is someone being genuinely irate.

Then if you're not a troll, you're a fool. Grow up.

[dhYTvlAv]

I think I'd rather be called a fool than unethical.

[KaterinaNJq]

Let me outline the concerns here.

1- The competition rules explicitly forbid a person submitting multiple entries under any form of device or artifice. The two entries I've highlighted clearly show signs of joint-enterprise collusion (if they don't, why isn't Ozzy promoting, or even mentioning, his own entry?). It's one for the lawyers as to whether this violates the letter of the law, but it sure appears to violate the spirit.

2- The "it's a good cause!" angle is being plugged heavily. However the entry, and all the forum spams I've seen, fail to specify how much, if any, of any prizes will go to the cause. I asked Ozzy directly in this thread, and he chose not to answer. The NYRA publish their cashflow details on-line, so if anyone is curious how much of the organisation's income is paid out as Executive Director's salary, it's easily accessible.
My hackles always rise when "it's a good cause" is plugged, where there's an unresolved point over the vested interests of the plugger.

3- It's being spammed. That's breaking the competition rules. Deal with it.

[Unakjyfk]

Well they'd better invest in snorkles because they're going to have to start inhabiting all of those lakes

[exsmoker]

You are misreading the rules. How can you seriously make the argument that Philip Nadel and myself are the same people? We're not. Why do you think this is a serious point. This is a competition for individuals.

Joint enterprise. Collusion. It doesn't require you to be one single person. In fact, it specifically excludes it.

What we choose to do with the money after we win is up to us.
No it isn't. Emphatically not. You have promoted this as supporting a good cause. Pocket the winnings and it would be fraud.


FindLaw has no rules against contest winners donating their prize money to charity. Which is what we both intend to do.
Which charity? The NYRA wouldn't qualify as a registered charity under UK law because over 20% of its total income is going straight to its Executive Director.

Source- http://www.youthrights.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=380

And that's even before there's any analysis of expenses.



The only reason I created an entry in the first place was because, when we entered it, it seemed like there would be no competition and we could easily get 1st and 3rd place. So you'll only bend the rules if it looks like you can't win fairly?


Whether the money goes to a cause or not is entirely up to us, so I'm not sure what kind of ethics complaint you could possibly be raising here. No, again. You have promoted this as supporting a good cause.


If you don't believe the money will be donated to the organization, then fine. I really don't care. It is beyond insulting, offensive, and outright dumb to suggest that I, or anyone else in this organization is going to steal from the organization. Give me a break.
You don't need to steal. Hell, it looks like you're already getting at least 1 dollar in every 5 through entirely sanctioned methods that you're pointedly avoiding discussing here.



Asking friends and members to vote for you is not spam.
Had you kept to that, I would never have known about this.


You seem to have some personal grudge against me and come out of the woodwork to blast me every time I post here, so please just relax, maybe take a vacation, or, if it is so hard for you to resist attacking me at every opportunity, then please just put me on your ignore list, it would make things far more peaceful for both of us. Not when I see crap like this. And I strongly advise you not to put me on your ignore list, because I have a distressing habit of backing stuff up. Believe me- you need to defend your position.