[Slintreeoost]

Well I have been in the airforce for 7 years. Im an E-5. AMMO! This week marked my first PT test failure


Im 6'6'' 275 lbs. I have a 40 inch waiste.

Im easily the strongest person in my duty section

Heres the funny story, I took my PT test in the morning. Later that day I was out working with some heavy equipment. We were building a MAC. You Ammo guys should know what Im talking about. There was an aluminum crate with parts to the Munitions Assembly Conveyor in it. Some of which are very heavy. One of the smaller airman on my crew was attempting to pick up some of the parts out of this can, and failing miserably. He walked over and asked me if I would pick these Items up for him.

My response was this; "What did you score on your PT test?" he replied, "a 99"". To which I stated, "I just failed mine so lift that shit your damn self." Of course he couldnt lift a 150 lb mechanical hoist. I had to do it.

Im pretty fed up with this waiste measurment BS. The Airforce claims that the PT test is a "strength" test. I can assure you it is not. I just read somewhere that the DoD spends between 19 and 21 BILLION dollars a year on our healthcare. And I can see how this is unacceptable. I just wish the entire "Fit to Fight" kick wasnt such a blatant deceitful lie. The D0D simply no longer wants to pay for our healthcare when we retire because quite simply our country cannot afford it. Which is all good in my book. I know it has nothing to do wiht fit to fight, because I am the most combat ready perosn in my section, but apparently I am no where near as fit to fight as a 136 lb. kid who cant lift a can of 20mm ammo. My only problem with this is, I am perfectly healthy. I have near perfect blood preassure and cholesterol levels. I dont smoke. I rarely drink, and on a bomb pad I can work circles around these tiny people who score 90'a and 100'a on thier PT test. Apparently having the strength to accomplish one's duties has no place in "Fit to Fight".


It's all a joke. I wont be kicked out yet, I'll go through the Fat Boy program and most likley will barely scrape by on my next test, but I'll get the boot eventually. I really dont care anymore. Not long ago I heard Command Chief Mckinnley state that hieght has noithing to do with waiste size. Thats the funniest thing I have ever heard. So a guy that is 5'6'' and a guy that is 6'6'' and wears a 4xl glove gets scored the same for body size?


great news guys. We got socialists in Washington and our Armed Forces are turning into the Worlds Biggest NANNY state.

[vaalmerruutel]

My response was this; "What did you score on your PT test?" he replied, "a 99"". To which I stated, "I just failed mine so lift that shit your damn self."

Im sorry but I had to laugh at that. Im 6'0 170 with a 32 inch waist, but I am young airman. I can definitely see how this is going to adversely affect the Air Force in the long ruin by negating our senior personnel. I know many a SNCO that are not going to pass this fitness test based on waist size alone.

[LSg44PDu]

Well I have been in the airforce for 7 years. Im an E-5. AMMO! This week marked my first PT test failure


Im 6'6'' 275 lbs. I have a 40 inch waiste.

Im easily the strongest person in my duty section

Heres the funny story, I took my PT test in the morning. Later that day I was out working with some heavy equipment. We were building a MAC. You Ammo guys should know what Im talking about. There was an aluminum crate with parts to the Munitions Assembly Conveyor in it. Some of which are very heavy. One of the smaller airman on my crew was attempting to pick up some of the parts out of this can, and failing miserably. He walked over and asked me if I would pick these Items up for him.

My response was this; "What did you score on your PT test?" he replied, "a 99"". To which I stated, "I just failed mine so lift that shit your damn self." Of course he couldnt lift a 150 lb mechanical hoist. I had to do it.

Im pretty fed up with this waiste measurment BS. The Airforce claims that the PT test is a "strength" test. I can assure you it is not. I just read somewhere that the DoD spends between 19 and 21 BILLION dollars a year on our healthcare. And I can see how this is unacceptable. I just wish the entire "Fit to Fight" kick wasnt such a blatant deceitful lie. The D0D simply no longer wants to pay for our healthcare when we retire because quite simply our country cannot afford it. Which is all good in my book. I know it has nothing to do wiht fit to fight, because I am the most combat ready perosn in my section, but apparently I am no where near as fit to fight as a 136 lb. kid who cant lift a can of 20mm ammo. My only problem with this is, I am perfectly healthy. I have near perfect blood preassure and cholesterol levels. I dont smoke. I rarely drink, and on a bomb pad I can work circles around these tiny people who score 90'a and 100'a on thier PT test. Apparently having the strength to accomplish one's duties has no place in "Fit to Fight".


It's all a joke. I wont be kicked out yet, I'll go through the Fat Boy program and most likley will barely scrape by on my next test, but I'll get the boot eventually. I really dont care anymore. Not long ago I heard Command Chief Mckinnley state that hieght has noithing to do with waiste size. Thats the funniest thing I have ever heard. So a guy that is 5'6'' and a guy that is 6'6'' and wears a 4xl glove gets scored the same for body size?


great news guys. We got socialists in Washington and our Armed Forces are turning into the Worlds Biggest NANNY state.

thats an azzload of motrin, and an azzload is three shartloads!! lol

[Pcodaygs]

Well gay guys are more image conscious, so they figure they'll have a fitter better dressing force. Hahaha

[Saqwnht]

sorry to hear that.. I definitely appreciate having you bigger guys around when it's time to move some serious weight. too bad you all get shafted with a PT test that is much more advantageous to us leaner/runner type guys.

[anenselog]

" but I'll get the boot eventually." That's the spirit
Know one is expected to lift 150 pounds by themselves. If you are you are just showing off
If you spent more time running your waist would take care of itself or be compensated by the run score

[autolubitelone]

Jig87,
Understand your frustration, I am around the same build. I agree that it is STUPID that a guy 5'5 has the same waist as 6'4! I have been typing for 20 min and have deleted everything probalby 5 times. All I can say is you are correct and I feel your pain. Wish I knew how to say what I wan't to more tactfully, but I am in Mx and tact isn't one of my strong suits! Feel for you!!!

[sherrferris]

A friend of mine just scored a 91% yet he failed because he was 2 sit-ups below the minimum. That just doesnt seem fair to me.

[remstaling]

dude. a 40" waist on anyone is HUGE.

Lay off the twinkies. You're in the military. Cut down or get out.

Questions?

[larentont]

We had a guy here score an 87.1 and ran in 10:36 and failed because he was 4 sit ups short. Cost him a line number for TSGT!

[enentique]

The complaining needs to stop and the work needs to start. If you can't cut it, find a new job. Plain and simple.

[tabcdyop]

Why did the AF change the PT test to the way it is? I'm just curious because I work with AF and hear them complain about it and how someone scored a 92 and failed. It confused me before and now confuses me more. So in the Army you have to get at least 60 in each event. So you can get a 100 in two events and like a 59 in one event and you scored a 259 but you still failed because you failed one event. Is that about the same with you guys except your waist still counts in? I think the whole waist thing is ridiculous. For us you can pass a APFT but if you fail weight you get flagged for weight and that's it.

[Mugflefusysef]

Our best TSgt just lost his line number to MSgt for failing his third PT test by half a pushup. He passed his fourth attempt and is looking forward to making MSgt (again).

Bottom line, failure to meet standards will cost you your career.

From my experience in the Army, if you are an E-5/6/7 promotable and fail a PT test and it has nothing to do with an injury or health issue; then you do not rate to get promoted.

That is unsat in my opinion. The Army's attitude is, how do you expect to lead in the front and be respected by your subordinates if you cannot pass your PT test?

[Soulofpostar]

the air force leads from a desk, behind a keyboard, shooting off emails all day.

[actifadepette]

the air force leads from a desk, behind a keyboard, shooting off emails all day.

Only when I'm not busy showing airborne where he is on the map, or how to get to his objective

[Tnzxovoz]

dude. a 40" waist on anyone is HUGE.

Lay off the twinkies. You're in the military. Cut down or get out.

Questions?

Only on your mom.

My 40 inch waist looks just like a 5'5' guys 35 inch waist.

Im not saying I am skinny but I wouldnt say I am fat. I have a large frame, not much I can do about it.

When I got back from my deployment my waist was a 38 and I weight 200 pounds. I am now 220 and my waist is a 39. Using these measurements I would need to weight 140 to have a 35 inch waist. Now that would be healthy for me.

[dosyrotsbop]

Nothing to do with our measurements, but a 35" waist on a 5'5" person is HUGE

[WFSdZuP3]

Nothing to do with our measurements, but a 35" waist on a 5'5" person is HUGE

But yet he looks like a slob and still gets max points for his waist. And the 6'6 guy acctually looks fit and has 40 inch waist and fails. Makes no sense to me.

[Z2sc8gEz]

Alright so I have failed #2 and then decided that I needed to go get profile since I did break my knee cap. I have heard the walk test is harder than the run. Anyone actualy know if this is true?

[Savviers]

Alright so I have failed #2 and then decided that I needed to go get profile since I did break my knee cap. I have heard the walk test is harder than the run. Anyone actualy know if this is true?

You should've gotten a profile at number 1 if you were hurt. I don't know about Air Force but I would assume so. 1 mile or 2.5 miles speed walking I don't think is probably any fun for anyone. Although I'd rather do a 1 mile walk or 1.5 mile run...