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06-15-2009, 02:37 AM
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 Why would anyone who knows they are going to fail the PT Test...take it
DISCLAIMER: I'm only kidding...i dont recommend anyone do this...unless its true..and you might die..then I highly recommend you go to your PCM..lol
Below is the first 2 questions on the mandator PT questionaire FITNESS SCREENING QUESTIONNAIRE 1. Do you have a health condition not addressed in a Physical Profile (AF Form 422) that participating in the PT program/testing could aggravate or that would preclude your safety? GYes Stop here; notify your Unit Fitness Program Manager (FPM) and contact PCM. GNo Proceed to next question. 2. Do you have any of the following? - Chest discomfort with exertion - Unusual shortness of breath - Dizziness, fainting, blackouts GYes Stop here; notify your UFPM and contact your Primary Care Manager (PCM) NOW..if your fat bag'o donuts...or just can't run worth a darn....its a get out of a jail free card right? Question 1, answer Yes...go to PCM..tell them "i'm not on a waiver but I'm in such horrible shape I might die of a heart attack if I run" Fair enough right... Question 2...answer yes...if your fat and/or dont run or both...yes..it is UNUSUAL for you to have shortness of breath..beacuse normally you just sit on your fat behind...so...Run to the PT test..you'll be short of breath..it will be unusual for you...bam..check yes.. NO TEST FOR YOU!!!! Seriously...its medical/safety...what can anyone do to you? |
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06-15-2009, 02:46 AM
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Seriously...its medical/safety...what can anyone do to you? |
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06-15-2009, 02:53 AM
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Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, what they can probably do to you is after a "reasonable" amount of time to correct your problem, if you're still unable to test, you're not able to meet air force standards and here is your civilian below the zone. |
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06-15-2009, 02:57 AM
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do you REALLY need to start 10 new threads on topics that have already been beaten to death?
 Hate to inject reason into your theory... but if you are not current, you do not meet standards, and will still get a referal EPR. So your plan ain't worth shit. |
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06-15-2009, 03:41 AM
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06-15-2009, 07:33 AM
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do you REALLY need to start 10 new threads on topics that have already been beaten to death? Read my top line Crusty, oh wait..i doubt you can figure out how to scroll down to it...i'll paste it below (old person joke) DISCLAIMER: I'm only kidding...i dont recommend anyone do this...unless its true..and you might die..then I highly recommend you go to your PCM..lol |
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06-15-2009, 07:47 AM
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Perhaps labido isnt the only thing that goes with age....maybe...just maybe attention to details gets harder and harder to perform too...lol Just doing my part to smash that lightbulb into itty-bitty pieces 
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06-15-2009, 07:57 AM
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Sad thing is, someone out there will have a lightbulb moment and think this is their out... lol |
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06-15-2009, 10:58 AM
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The point of the questionare is to ensure that you aren't showing any danger indicators before you test. If you do, you go to the doc, get checked out, and they determine if you test or not. At most, you'd gain a week or two before you had to test (presuming you are cleared by the doc).
At a minimum, they can measure/weigh anyone, so they could make your entire test score based on that if you weren't physically able to do anything else. I can't imagine wanting that, especially if you are worried about passing in the first place. In the end, I think you'd wind up wasting the doc's time and possibly shooting yourself in the foot if you did this. |
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06-15-2009, 02:35 PM
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Sad thing is, someone out there will have a lightbulb moment and think this is their out... lol |
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06-15-2009, 02:49 PM
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do you REALLY need to start 10 new threads on topics that have already been beaten to death? |
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06-15-2009, 02:55 PM
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The referrals are not always handed out when they should be... And if you have a profile, you are 'EXEMPT' and "Meet Standard" block will be checked on that EPR... First, it is either exempt or meets, not both. Second, the only true exemptions are abdominal surgery or pregnancy. Beyond that, you still tape. CC Can give a 59 day extension on EPR closeout... after that, it is not an option; it is what it is. |
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06-15-2009, 03:39 PM
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Maybe in your world, but not in the entire AF. Even the ACC Command Chief even realizes this and speaks of it (on the referrals not happening and already well known pencil whipping of it all)...
I did slightly misspeak...My intentions were meant to say you are exempt from the portions the profile covers and you will still get the Meet block checked... So, you cannot meet standards courtesy of the profile and still clear the EPR... |
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06-15-2009, 04:08 PM
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Maybe in your world, but not in the entire AF. Even the ACC Command Chief even realizes this and speaks of it (on the referrals not happening and already well known pencil whipping of it all)... |
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06-15-2009, 05:16 PM
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Maybe...we can hope anyways... Is there going to be a checks and balances to verify the right block is checked on the EPR? Even still, is it going to be a referral EPR and not a 5? From my understanding, there are also people submitting "referral" EPR's as 5's... We will see I guess; if nothing else it will curb some of the problem. Who is going to keep the medical or HAWC people in check though? They are testing everyone, which means themselves too... They are just as easily capable of pencil whipping as everyone else.
I really do not think we solve problems by shifting the work load; the people pencil whipping should have some punishment handed to them hard so people know it's no joke but people continually get away with such activity. This seems to be the answer in today's Air Fore to all problems; shift the work and responsibility to someone else while in the meantime the slacking party continues to recieve '5' EPR's. And we wonder why there is such a problem with people just following the rules... |
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08-12-2009, 12:36 AM
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Why do they make you fill those questionairs out a month before your actual test. You may get sick a few days before your test and you are still suppose to test because you said you were healthy a month ago. Atleast this is how it works at my base. This happened to me and I was forced to run with a major broncial infection and purposely failed to as not to kill myself when I passed out from lack of oxygen. I passed with flying colors after going on the fat boy program for 3 months.
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08-12-2009, 11:55 PM
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So they have a BS questionaire in the AF as well?
For the most part, everyone I know answers "no" to all of the questions anyway... even if it's a lie. Afterall, for the "yes" answers, you're going to go through more BS just to end up having to run the PRT anyway. |
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08-18-2009, 10:47 AM
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Since I am a FAC lead, once the score is entered, I can tell you it does not get removed even if you go to the DOCTOR after the the test.
Now, in my pre-brief, I reinforce that if anyone is not feeling 100%, do not test. the last thing we want is someone getting hurt, having to call 911, or failing. I give some silly examples like if this young man was passing kidney stones all night, should he test today? If she woke up and could not lift her arm 2 inches from her body, should she be testing today? The number of YES did double my first month here, but we have not had any requests like I was sick, but UFPM told me I had to test today. |
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