New Pt Test Charts & Details
 

Looks like it got a little more challenging.


http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/affi...gram/index.asp

Since PT during duty time is no longer going to be a mandatory requirement, I wonder how many units who actually do organized PT will let their programs fall by the wayside.

I also like to see that we are getting merit badges for our PT performance. :facepalm:

I dont think it got any harder... I think it actually got a little easier... in the performance department at least. You may have to shave a couple inches off the waist to get those points back but it seems the rest of it will be easy. And trust me... i have never scored a 90 so this is not the opinion of a person who never had a problem to begin with.

When I got the first bootleg copy of the charts, I re-ran my unit's numbers. Most people actually improve their overall scores by 6-8 points. HOWEVER, the minimums are no joke. Of my 44 people, there were 12 instances (some mulitples on a single individual, so not an overall 12 fails) where people did not meet the minumums, and another 8 where they were on the bubble. So while the big picture reflects you are more fit, if you bust a minimum, you still fail.

Should be a pretty big wake up call... when combined with centralized testing and twice a year... people had better get serious.

The first person who scores a 85 and fails is going to raise holy hell.

For example, I could have scored an 86 (with new charts) this year by doing 4 fewer sit-ups and according to this BS I would have failed.

Not liking the looks of this at all.

Maybe... but I think this is whats going to add that component of strength. You may be able to run like the wind and weigh next to nothing but if you dont have the strength to rock out some pushups and situps then you fail. Which makes perfect sense, so I think it will work out well. I really think that the Fitness Cells are going to get out of hand... you know it will be some fat ass civilian that cant even do a proper pushup or situp that will be judging you and telling you what you are doing wrong. Thats where the BULLSHIT flag will get stuffed down their throat.

Is that first section supposed to be 29 and under?

The only part of this I don't like(besides the points) is that there is no 25-29 category. I feel much different at 29 than I did at 18. My knees hurt more and my back flares up occasionally due to a mild bulging disc. I think having me do more situps at this age than I had to do graduate basic is little ridiculous.

I don’t know about that man. This week my section did our quarterly mock PT test. Since it technically “didn’t count” I decided to not push myself and instead go at what I consider a regular pace. One of my friends is a PTL and he did my waist measurement and I told him to give me the “real” no freebie score and he did. I knocked out the crunches and pushups and maxed them both as always and ran at a good pace. When it was done I had actually did a little better than last time. I got an 80.45. That is about what I have gotten over the last half decade of testing. I took my numbers and plugged them into the “new” scoring chart and came out at 84.5 points. My score actually went up a little, bonus! It makes you think though. If I score exactly the same next year, on paper at least, it will appear I have gotten healthier without actually having done so? That brings home the old question; does this test and scoring mechanism actually measure real physical fitness? Because my score will go up, does that mean I am fit to fight? Does it mean my future health risk will go down any? Will my supervisor or commander think I am a better leader / technician because my score went up?

We need some people to run till they die....then they'll re-think and bring back the bike test...

I'll go first

we're 9 months into using them in PACAF, and the BS flag hasn't come in to play yet...

It says less than 30... same thing

[QUESTION: Will commanders still be required to provide fitness time during duty-hours?

ANSWER: Commanders will continue to emphasize the importance of fitness and provide Airmen fitness time during duty hours when mission permits, but will no longer be mandated by AFI-248 to allocate fitness time during "traditional" duty hours. Again, it is every Airman's responsibility to achieve and maintain AF Fitness standards. This strikes me as total crap. Not that many of us were getting PT time anyway. Commanders weren't following the AFI, weren't held accountable as well. Now we are getting tested twice as often, but getting "less" time to prepare for the test.

The AF is trying to create this Army culture, but it just doesn't work with our mission.:argue:

Did anyone notice the BEST part of the test? You can actually make the minimum score on every section of the test...and still not pass the overall test...

SO why have those low standards as minimum...you must score THIS to pass THIS section...but even if you pass each section by doing the minimum required to pass each section...you will FAIL the test...

WTF KIND OF SENSE DOES THAT MAKE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Because the AF leaders dont have a clue

If your last test was Jan 2009, your next test will be in Jan 2010 to begin your 6 month cycle, then again in Jul 2010, etc.
If your last test was Mar 2009, your next test will be in Mar 2010 to begin your 6 month cycle, then again in Sep 2010, etc.
If your last test was Jul 2009, your next test will be in Jan 2010 to begin your 6 month cycle, then again in Jul 2010, etc.
If you test Sep 2009, you will test again in Mar 2010 to begin your 6 month cycle, then again in Sep 2010, etc.
If you test Dec 2009, you will test again in Jun 2010 to begin your 6 month cycle, then again in Dec 2010, etc. So let me get this straight. If I tested in March of 2009, I get to wait 12 months until it's time to test again. But if I tested in July of 2009, I can only wait 6 months until it's time to test.

What sense does this make? Or am I missing something?

Commanders may institute "practice" or "diagnostic" tests in order to gauge a member's progress, but such a test will not be counted as an "official" test or entered into AF FMS for documentation purposes. Members will always know when their next scheduled test is required. Finally. We can now put an end to the "I'll test you as much as I want too" mentality. In my unit, if you score a 75-79.99, you have to take an official test every 90 days. But if Johnny scores an 80, he only has to test once a year. Totally unfair in my opinion and this new policy will put an end to it.

If everyone who was over 6 months since their last test in Jan, A) it would overwhelm the testing facilities, and B) the same thing would happen in Jul and Jan every year. They've got to phase in the start dates to accomodate the surge.

Maybe leadership wants you to do something beyond the minimum in one or more sections. Maybe you don't run very well, but you can knock out push ups. Maybe you're fast, but comparatively weak in the upper body. But hey, at least you can have a bit of a gut and still get max points for the A/C.

It gives you, the member, a little bit of wiggle room but expects you to do a minimum in each category. Nothing wrong with that.

If they want you to go above the minimum..they should make that new "what they want you to do" the minimum to pass.....

Makes absolutley no sense that you can pass every indiividual section and still not pass the test, also makes no sense that you can have a passing score and still not pass....

This entire "problem" could have been solves with just saying 'ok, from now on you take the current PT Test twice a year"...would have taken 10 minutes..problem solved...instead we spend millions on research to come up with THIS!?!?!??!

If only tax payers could ask for refunds.............

Where do you see that "millions of dollars" were spent on this?