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Does anyone have any stats on what it takes to ahoot 85 or 80? I want to set goals for my rounds in terms of fairways and greens but not sure what they should be.

Ie tday i Played 9 holes tday and Just looked at my stats and it's clear putting was my foe. I was 8 over wirh 44. I Hit 5 of 7 fairways 72% and hit 5 of 9 greens. 56%. I should have been around 40 for the 9 holes but I 3 putted 4 times!! 22 putts for 9 holes is terrible.

Is it possible to have a set stat for that sort of thing? Every player has there strengths and weaknesses so its hard to pin point. It sounds like putting might be holding you back if you played 18 you would be on pace for 44 putts and I definitely have those days. Even when I am at my best, which has not been often this year, I can look at my round and say well if I didn't three putt five holes I could have shot this. Personally, even if I am slapping the ball down the fairway I can get it to the green in two to three strokes provided I stay in play but once I am on the green it is easy to three putt and rack up strokes.

Also I use golf shot gps and was wondering if it tracks stats for 9 holes

Stats can be very misleading to be honest, not sure how they would relate directly to score. There are a lot of variables.

People can shoot scores so many different ways, stats really don't mean a lot, in my opinion. One of the biggest misleading stats is putts per round. You said 22 putts per nine is bad, but if you are hitting every green, then you will probably have more putts than if you are missing every green and chipping on for your third shot instead of putting for your third shot. I'm not saying 22 putts is good at all, but someone can have 22 putts but most of the time be barely on the green when they take their first putt. You could be on the fringe, inches farther away from the person who is barely on, and have 13 putts but the exact same score because they chipped on (or putted from off the green, which is not counted as a putt) when the other guy putted.

You can miss every fairway, but if you are just barely missing and missing in the right places, is that really that bad? You could hit every green, but if you are consistently putting it in a bad spot on the green, you might take more putts than if you hit the green in the right spots. There are some holes on my course that I would rather miss the green short than hit the green long but have a fast downhill putt for my next shot. I'm usually a stats guy, but with golf, I don't usually keep very many stats on my game. I might keep track of fairways hit and putts because it's easy to do, but may or may not tell you a lot.

Not to pile on what's already been said, but to me the only stat that is relevant - at least to the EASE of what I shoot is Greens in Regulation. If I am hitting gir's then I know it will be easier to score than if I don't.

I remember golf digest ha an article that gave avg stats. Of course it going to be individual but the stats five a good estimation based on averages and this can provide good realistic goals to aim for.

I remember it seemed to hold pretty true for me I needed to hairlike 5 or 5 greens to break 85 or 80 can't remember

When you get to 85, quit counting no matter what hole you are on!!! hehehehehe

easy way to reduce your putts per hole

miss more greens

Exactly....G.I.R.'s. Can't remember the exact site i've got it booked marked on my main computer, i'm away from home right now...will try to update in a few days for the website. Anyway "this" site has a pretty scientific analysis for G.I.R. together with how many pars in an 18 hole round you score to determine your final score. Basically they have culmutivative evidence that hitting the green in reg results in good scoring. I will try to provide the site in a few days folks.

I agree with this. GIRs is everything to me and my score. I'll take a GIR over a FIR any day of the week

Yes putts don't tell the whole story. If you are missing greens and chipping the ball the 5 feet, you will have less putts in general. This happened to me last week. I had 5 or 6 gir in one round and 28 putts. I was missing the greens, but my chipping saved me. Shot an 81. Two days later, I hit my irons good and hit 14 greens and shot 76. I know I had more than 30 putts, but not exactly sure.



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Here is the site I was talking about yesterday. Very strong relationship associated with g.i.r. and scoring.....

http://www.oxnardtenniscenter.com/Ol...olferStats.htm

Interesting site and I particularly like the "relationship" column which seems to be pretty spot on. For example, I hit around 85% of FIR, which suggests an average score of 71 or less, yet I haven't managed to hit sub-100 to date. On the other hand I get very few gross pars per round which suggests a score around the high 90's. the difference here is that the FIR relationship is weak and the pars is strong, and that certainly applies to my game.

I may hit the fairway a lot, but I'm not hitting it very long (about 200 - 220 yds) and I'm getting let down by my chipping and putting at the moment. Therefore *for me* as a golfer, FIR and GIR stats are fairly useless as even my GIR is fairly decent, it's the rest of the shots that let me down.

Therefore, as other have suggested, there's not going to be one specific stat, other than total score, that all golfers can work on to improve their score. However, looking at stats on an individual basis may help to locate the weaknesses in a golfer's game that could help them to improve.

I think stats are valuable if only to give an indication of how you played but you can't draw conclusions to your score based on it because there just isn't enough information. A missed fairway because you were a foot off is a miss, as is one you hit into water, into the woods, etc. Stats are good to help you find areas to focus on.

IMO, that is your answer right there. The biggest scoring struggle many have is getting on the green. Based on your stats, that isn't a huge issue with you. You keep the ball in play and can hit some greens. Reduce your putts, improve your scores, it's as simple as that. A stat to shoot for is to average 2 putts or less per hole. If you had 4 less putts, you shoot 40. It doesn't matter if that is reducing the 3-putts or making some 1-putts, just reduce the amount of strokes with the putter. That can be accomplished by practicing more and being a better putter or by simply hitting the ball closer to the hole whether that is from just off the green, from the fairway, or simply your first putt attempt.

Some will give you these extreme examples about hitting every green and having 'X' amount of putts or missing every green and having 'Y' amount of putts and the stat doesn't matter. IMO those extremes don't happen and we live in the real world where people hit greens 30-40% of the time and then get lucky every once in a while with a chip or two. Based on what you've said, if you average 2 putts or less, you will shoot lower scores. Turn a couple 3-putts into a 2-putt and turn a couple of 2-putts into a 1-putt and you just shaved 4 strokes.

I think I read in GD severald months ago that the rule of thumb is that if you hit 8 GIRs, you SHOULD shoot 80 or better. As others have said, it depends on tons of other variables. When I would try to break 80 for the first few times, I'd always make a goal to hit at least 8 greens

That just doesn't make total sense. It is clear his putting needs practice or even a fitting to confirm he has the right putter and he needs to work on getting up and down from around the green. Simple as that. The easiest way to post great scores is to hit greens and give yourself birdie attempts and tap in pars. Nothing can kill a score faster than a three putt. But you lose a stroke everytime you miss a green in regulation. A sharp shortgame will hide a ton of sins.

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The most telling thing I see and totally agree with is that it says putts per round is a WEAK indication of your scoring.

I will do as it says and compare my last 5 rounds to the chart and see what it says.

If you looked at my stats, you would be shocked and confused. My bad days look identical to my good days on fairways hit, GIR, etc. But when you look at my putt total, you'll see exactly why I shot an 88 one round and a 78 the next.

I can honestly say GIR don't affect my game. They are identical on good days and bad.