[DoctorQuquriramba]

Oh ya no doubt. Some people understand it, some people dont.

No offense taken, Thainer, but in my case that isn't the case. The course isn't long by any means and all of the other holes are quite playable. There is just one big stinker in the middle.

[UJRonald]

I am OK with the speed of greens changing during the course of a round if it is caused by the greens drying out as the morning turns to noon etc. That is actually a neat challenge I think. However I hate it when it is related to the way the course is managed or designed. I have seen a number of courses where the type of grass used varies from one green to the next as different greens keepers over the years have taken a different view of what should be used. One green type breaks a certain way, dries at a certain speed, putts at a certain speed etc etc and the other green type is totalling different.

As to some of the quirkier layouts I have seen, to be fair, sometimes especially with Muni courses, the original property was gifted to the town or the city as a donation specifically for purposes of building a golf course. While these are very generous gifts, I can tell you from being in school board meetings that regardless of the intended use, the land donated is rarely optimal for the purpose. Instead of bringing a real pro in to deal with the situation and allocate enough budget for him to do the job, often, folks will try to scrimp as much as they can. So while it was a donation, you start with a less than optimal piece of property and few resources allocated to achieving a really special result. You can't really blame the people stuck with making the decision that much. I just wish the dynamics were different such that they allowed for a different result.

I don't mean to imply that this is the case with all or even most muni coarses, but it is the cases sometimes.

[Kalobbis]

I dont care for holes that are difficult to figure out from the tee box. I have played quite a number of holes where I can’t seem to make out what the architect was intending. A hole or two at Crooked Cat at Orange County National fits this description. I guess if I played the course regularly this wouldn’t be an issue…