[smifatv]

HINDU WOMEN'S RIGHTS COMPARED TO MUSLIM WOMEN'S RIGHTS

IN RESPONSE TO A HINDU MAN THAT CRITICIZED THE WAY MUSLIM WOMEN ARE TREATED. JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!

Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem:

As`salamualaikum Warahmutullahi Wabarakatuhu...
I hope you all are in the best of health & iman inshallah.
The Brahmins make a big campaign that Islam restricts the freedom of women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim woman. See the following facts for comparison and then try to bring these Brahmins to their senses.

The Hindu Woman:
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1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.
4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead husband). Since today's law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other "holy" ways (see below).
6. She cannot remarry.
7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public.She cannot wear jewelry or colorful clothes. (She should not even take part in her children's marriage!)

The Muslim Woman:
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1. The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters including divorce.
2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.
3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her, her consent must be taken.
4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the other way around)
5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the responsibility of the Muslim society.
6. Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping in society.
7. A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.
What right do the Hindus have to criticize the Muslims? Have you ever heard of a Muslim burning his wife? In India women die daily of dowry deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women. The Brahmins are trying to claim that Muslims do not give freedom to their women. I ask you again. "Do the Hindus respect their women?"
You be the judge.
Your Brother
Marwan
http://www.muslim.net/islam

[Helloheshess]

As-Salamu alaykum

I am looking for articles like this to put in my forum in the human rights section do you have more to do with women and Islam and do forth .....wasalams

[MartZubok]

walaikum salaam

is it any thing specific, or just generaly rights of women in islam?

[healty-back]

Good post Nafeesa.

[orgagsUpsepsy]

Assalamu alaikum.

sister Nafeesa,

Tho God-willing you have come with a sincere intention and devotion to God in highlighting rights Allah has given to women in Islam.

However I would like to point some thing if I may. It may well be that the author of the article taken certain things out of context from Hindu scripture/s, perheps confused certain customs practiced by Hindu community that has no basis in their religious sources, while some parts it says may well be true. Furthermore, the article is short and does not even give any reference.

Thought I should bring that out as this is often done by attackers of Islam who take many things from the Quran and screw it. We dont like it because it is not true.

In light of this I personally would not preach such an article.

God knows best.

[MatueHarton]

im sorry but i dnt understand why u have a problem with it? its just highlighting facts? i dnt see anything wrong with it, can u please elaborate

[steansathtpos]

p.s i come from a place which is full of hindus (leicester) and so have had loads of hindu friends so i know quite a bit about their religion, also, just want to add that obviously it probably wnt be as harsh as that now as hindus are alot more modern and most do wateva the hell they please in terms of drinking fornication etc when its prohibited even in their religion, but its gud to see the rights compared to hindu n muslim women, even tho the hindus are probably not as strict with these rules and regulations any more as theyre living in the west.

also aint u seen any bollywood films, any of the old ones? i yes when was younger watched em with my gran even tho i didnt understand the language but any ways they always have the woman dressed in white looking so miserable and not having a life, and often wud be scenes of her jumping in the fire.

also wud like to add that in some parts of india in the most rural of communities this does happen, i know cuz my mum is from india and so she wud know.

[Dr.Hoodoba]

Assalaualaikum/peace Nafeesa,

The article is just pin pointing certain things about Hinduism (and Islam) with no elaborate discussion on it, also shown by no reference to Hindu scripture or Islamic scripture.

It is nothing big, I was merely pointing something out because like I say, attackers of Islam attack Islam in such a way.

Salam, Peace.

[Haremporblape]

HINDU WOMEN'S RIGHTS COMPARED TO MUSLIM WOMEN'S RIGHTS

IN RESPONSE TO A HINDU MAN THAT CRITICIZED THE WAY MUSLIM WOMEN ARE TREATED. JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!

Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem:

As`salamualaikum Warahmutullahi Wabarakatuhu...
I hope you all are in the best of health & iman inshallah.
The Brahmins make a big campaign that Islam restricts the freedom of women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim woman. See the following facts for comparison and then try to bring these Brahmins to their senses.

The Hindu Woman:
==============
1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.
4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead husband). Since today's law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other "holy" ways (see below).
6. She cannot remarry.
7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public.She cannot wear jewelry or colorful clothes. (She should not even take part in her children's marriage!)

The Muslim Woman:
===============
1. The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters including divorce.
2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.
3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her, her consent must be taken.
4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the other way around)
5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the responsibility of the Muslim society.
6. Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping in society.
7. A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.
What right do the Hindus have to criticize the Muslims? Have you ever heard of a Muslim burning his wife? In India women die daily of dowry deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women. The Brahmins are trying to claim that Muslims do not give freedom to their women. I ask you again. "Do the Hindus respect their women?"
You be the judge.
Your Brother
Marwan
http://www.muslim.net/islam

Dear Nafeesa,
I am really sorry to say you this, but i have to say that you don't know anything about Hindus nor Muslims. All your information about Hindus and Muslims are wrong.

Hindu Woman : Muslim Woman
=======================

1)The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.

For Hindus : Are you kidding or what? Do some research before making a post . They do have all rights to do so.

For Muslim : Her husband can divorce her by saying triple "Talak" ie, no consideration for women ,but if a women wants to divorce her husband, the community will torcher her and corner her.


2) She has no property or inheritance rights.

For Hindus :In Hindu community the first preference of inheritance rights is for women.

For Muslim : After her marriage, she has no rights. All consideration for men.

3) Choice of partner .

For Hindus : She can marry any human being of her choice.

For Muslim : Not even allowed to see the face of her groom's face . She can only see his face during their first night.

4) If her husband dies.

For Hindus : She can re-marry & She will be given the highest form of respect.

For Muslims : That is the end of her social life.




Now Why everyone is criticizing the Muslims for treating their women so bad?

I can write a story on this matter, but as my time is limited, i can only say to take a look at the life of Muslim women when Taliban were in control of Afghanistan. They were only allowed to wear prada ,they should cover their whole body except her eyes , other wise they will be humiliated and punished.


Special Note
==========

JEHAD (THE HOLY WAR) - Causing terror all over the world, taking innocent life's.
(Actually some illiterate people misunderstood the meaning)



Hey, you can ban be for saying my opinion, but if you have the courage to keep my opinion, then i can say that you are a real Muslim with the real spirit.



After all i am not a Hindu nor Muslim.

I AM A CHRISTIAN

[exeftWabreava]

ok saviour, i am the following:
1. indian
2. from hindu background
3. christian schooling
4. muslim

...incase you say anything.

the original post was highlighting hindu tradition, not indian law.
in indian law all what you have said is guaranteed, but reality is a bit different.

similarly in islam, rights of women are guaranteed but realities are different sometimes.

everyone is criticising because "everyone" is the judeochristian world, who want to show that islam is somehow evil, so they have an excuse to go and "liberate" the muslim ppl and give them "freedom", which is far from the truth.

it would be better if ppl would look at the desperate situation of women and their role in societies in the west, rather than pointing at the muslims.

"remove the plank from your own eye before telling your brother to remove the dust in his."

[Rqvtwlfk]

Dear Nafeesa,
I am really sorry to say you this, but i have to say that you don't know anything about Hindus nor Muslims. All your information about Hindus and Muslims are wrong.

Hindu Woman : Muslim Woman
=======================

1)The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.

For Hindus : Are you kidding or what? Do some research before making a post . They do have all rights to do so.

For Muslim : Her husband can divorce her by saying triple "Talak" ie, no consideration for women ,but if a women wants to divorce her husband, the community will torcher her and corner her.


2) She has no property or inheritance rights.

For Hindus :In Hindu community the first preference of inheritance rights is for women.

For Muslim : After her marriage, she has no rights. All consideration for men.

3) Choice of partner .

For Hindus : She can marry any human being of her choice.

For Muslim : Not even allowed to see the face of her groom's face . She can only see his face during their first night.

4) If her husband dies.

For Hindus : She can re-marry & She will be given the highest form of respect.

For Muslims : That is the end of her social life.




Now Why everyone is criticizing the Muslims for treating their women so bad?

I can write a story on this matter, but as my time is limited, i can only say to take a look at the life of Muslim women when Taliban were in control of Afghanistan. They were only allowed to wear prada ,they should cover their whole body except her eyes , other wise they will be humiliated and punished.


Special Note
==========

JEHAD (THE HOLY WAR) - Causing terror all over the world, taking innocent life's.
(Actually some illiterate people misunderstood the meaning)



Hey, you can ban be for saying my opinion, but if you have the courage to keep my opinion, then i can say that you are a real Muslim with the real spirit.



After all i am not a Hindu nor Muslim.

I AM A CHRISTIAN

Is there any chance you are mistaking Islamic laws with cultural laws? Some of your points dont sound like the Sharia laws they sound like practises and cultural traditions brought un justly into Islam. I dunno just my opinion eh

[Ettiominiw]

Dear Nafeesa,
I am really sorry to say you this, but i have to say that you don't know anything about Hindus nor Muslims. All your information about Hindus and Muslims are wrong.

Hindu Woman : Muslim Woman
=======================

1)The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.

For Hindus : Are you kidding or what? Do some research before making a post . They do have all rights to do so.

For Muslim : Her husband can divorce her by saying triple "Talak" ie, no consideration for women ,but if a women wants to divorce her husband, the community will torcher her and corner her.


2) She has no property or inheritance rights.

For Hindus :In Hindu community the first preference of inheritance rights is for women.

For Muslim : After her marriage, she has no rights. All consideration for men.

3) Choice of partner .

For Hindus : She can marry any human being of her choice.

For Muslim : Not even allowed to see the face of her groom's face . She can only see his face during their first night.

4) If her husband dies.

For Hindus : She can re-marry & She will be given the highest form of respect.

For Muslims : That is the end of her social life.




Now Why everyone is criticizing the Muslims for treating their women so bad?

I can write a story on this matter, but as my time is limited, i can only say to take a look at the life of Muslim women when Taliban were in control of Afghanistan. They were only allowed to wear prada ,they should cover their whole body except her eyes , other wise they will be humiliated and punished.


Special Note
==========

JEHAD (THE HOLY WAR) - Causing terror all over the world, taking innocent life's.
(Actually some illiterate people misunderstood the meaning)



Hey, you can ban be for saying my opinion, but if you have the courage to keep my opinion, then i can say that you are a real Muslim with the real spirit.



After all i am not a Hindu nor Muslim.

I AM A CHRISTIAN

You literally have no clue about Islam or Hinduism or even your religion christianity!

See:
The True Status of Woman in Islam

As for Jihad which is a term that applies to a number of struggles, one of which is physical fighting, you again seem very brainwashed by extremist christians who have no idea about Islam or their own religion.
Have you per chance heard of the "crusades"? Ah yes, those "holy wars against the infidels" that led to the deaths of 100,000s of innocent men, women and children including Muslims as well as Jews and they were all sanctioned by the terrorist popes of the time and were in the name of the terrorist religion called "christianity".
Or do you remember where George Bush infamously called the war against Iraq and Afghanistan as a "crusade" and how he sought "God's advice" before going to war and killing millions of innocent men, women and children throughout the Muslim world since 2001?

Or see:

Terrorism and Violence in the Bible

Perhaps this will open your eyes:
Deuteronomy
Chapter 3




1-7

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

[Lxbsvksl]

To "Saviour"

I am a Muslim woman and am stunned at the ignorance I see in your post. I will deal with each point:

1. Women are allowed to divorce in Islam, as a matter of fact we are the first religion that allowed it. I knwo many Muslim women who've divorced and they were never "tortured" or "cornered."' Hyperbole anyone? Remind me again...what is the Catholic (argueably the first official Christian sect) ruling on divorce? Even in the case of abuse?

2. In Islam women are entitled to inheritance...her husband cannot access that inheritance, it is her's to do with as she pleases. As a matter of fact if she has a job whatever profit she receives her husband has no rights to.

3. It is actually forbidden for a Muslim to be "blindly" matched. There is a strong hadith that states the intended bride and groom must see each other before agreeing to marriage, so I have no idea where you got that "fact" from about the wedding night.

4. Where did you even get this fact from? Widows are very respected in Islam and it is our obligation to see she receives care and enfolded into our families.

Jihad means "struggle" There are two types of Jihad..the Greater Jihad and the Lesser Jihad. The Greater jihad is the one each person fights within him/herself everyday against sin. The lesser jihad is when someone is invading your country and home and killing you, then you can defend yourself with deadly force if necesary.

As far as the Taliban goes...they did many things that were forbidden such as forbidding girls to go to school after age seven. The Taliban no more represent Islam than the Crusades represent the teachings of the Christianity from the New Testament. The problem lies in people claiming to be Muslims and committing acts contradictory to the Quran. I am sure that Chrisitians have the same problem.....don't see Bush exactly "turning the other cheek."

I for one hope you are not banned because of anything you can give us a chance to eradicate the ignorant stereotypes you type with pure truth.

~Sarah

[yqpY4iw6]

The Hindu Woman:
==============
1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending bridegroom/family.
4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead husband). Since today's law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other "holy" ways (see below).
6. She cannot remarry.
7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public.She cannot wear jewelry or colorful clothes. (She should not even take part in her children's marriage!)

http://www.muslim.net/islam

Is this something taken from their creed or someones interpretation of Hindu customs? I do not think this will be disputed if there was references to their Books such as Vedas and Bagwath Puranas regarding this. Provide them if you know them Insha'allah.

[PyncGyncliacy]

Hi Saviour,

Some evidences (from the Quran and Ahaadith) to expand on the points sister SarahB wisely brought up would be:

Describing the status of the Indian woman, Encyclopedia Britannica states:

In India, subjection was a cardinal principle. Day and night must women be held by their protectors in a state of dependence says Manu. The rule of inheritance was agnatic, that is descent traced through males to the exclusion of females.

In Hindu scriptures, the description of a good wife is as follows: "a woman whose mind, speech and body are kept in subjection, acquires high renown in this world, and, in the next, the same abode with her husband."

Now we have ISLAM:

-Kindness between spouses
He (God) it is who did create you from a single soul and therefrom did create his mate, that he might dwell with her (in love)...(Qur'an 7:189)

The Creator of heavens and earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves ...Qur'an 42:1 1

And Allah has given you mates of your own nature, and has given you from your mates, children and grandchildren, and has made provision of good things for you. Is it then in vanity that they believe and in the grace of God that they disbelieve? Qur'an 16:72

- According to Islamic Law, women cannot be forced to marry anyone without their consent.

Ibn Abbas reported that a girl came to the Messenger of God, Muhammad (P.), and she reported that her father had forced her to marry without her consent. The Messenger of God gave her the choice . . . (between accepting the marriage or invalidating it). (Ibn Hanbal No. 2469). In another version, the girl said: "Actually I accept this marriage but I wanted to let women know that parents have no right (to force a husband on them)" (Ibn Maja, No. 1873).

The Qur'an thus states:

"And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them, and men are a degree above them." (Qur'an 2:228).

- Rights as a wife

Over and above her basic rights as a wife comes the right which is emphasized by the Qur'an and is strongly recommended by the Prophet (P); kind treatment and companionship.

The Qur'an states:

"...But consort with them in kindness, for if you hate them it may happen that you hate a thing wherein God has placed much good." (Qur'an 4: l9).

Prophet Muhammad. (P) said:

The best of you is the best to his family and I am the best among you to my family.

The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives. (Ibn-Hanbal, No. 7396)

- Divorce in Islam
When you divorce women, and they reach their prescribed term, then retain them in kindness and retain them not for injury so that you transgress (the limits). (Qur'an 2:231). (See also Qur'an 2:229 and 33:49).

"Unto men (of the family) belongs a share of that which Parents and near kindred leave, and unto women a share of that which parents and near kindred leave, whether it be a little or much - a determinate share." ((Qur'an 4:7).

and peace,

[arcaniagainee]

Interesting thread.
Sati and other Hindu customs that oppresses women


I was shocked and am still in shock to learn that the custom of ‘Sati’ still exists today. I thought it had ended long ago. ‘Sati’ is when a wife has to throw herself on the burning dead body of her husband and kill herself. This is because, according to Hindus, there is no use of her life now since her husband is dead and it is her destiny to die.

In places where ‘Sati’ was not practiced women had to wear a white saree all their lives and could not re-marry although I don’t know if this also exists today. There is also this day when a woman fasts for her husband’s long life. There is also the belief that a wife’s heaven is in the dirt below her husband’s feet. A lot of respect for the wife here! Why don’t men burn themselves to death when the wife dies, why don’t they wear white clothes and not re-marry, why don’t they fast for their wives and why don’t they consider their heaven to be below the wife’s feet?

Before Hindus point fingers at Islam and how it oppresses women, why don’t they take a look at themselves. Also, please tell me why a lot of Hindu women revert to the oppressive religion of Islam?

[risyGreeple]

1. The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters including divorce.

This is misleading because the husband has the right of divorce by default in a marriage (unless he grants it to his wife in the marriage contract). If the wife wants a divorce, she must ask her husband to grant and if he does not, she may then go to a judge in an Islamic court to be granted the marriage if she can provide proof that she has a valid reason for seeking a divorce from her husband.

[thehhhyips]

WOMEN'S IN HINDUISM
The Brahmin media made a big campaign recently out of the Shah Banu case and they blew it out all proportion. They implied that lslam restricted the freedom of women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu women and the Muslim women. See the following facts for comparison and then try to bring these Brahmins to their senses. Inequity and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion. Manu Smriti says
"Never trust a woman.
Never sit alone with a woman even if it may be Your mother, she may tempt you Do not sit alone with your daughter, she may tempt you.
Do not sit alone with your sister, she may tempt you

Again the same Manu Smriti continues:
“Na stree swadantriya marhathi”
“No liberty for women in society”.

The Brahmins make a big campaign that Islam restricts the freedom of women. Let us compare the positions of the Hindu woman and the Muslim woman. See the following facts for comparison

What right do the Hindus have to criticize the Muslims? Have you ever heard of a Muslim burning his wife? In India women die daily of dowry deaths, Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws. It is a fact that upper caste Hindus ill-treat their women


The Brahmins are trying to claim that Muslims do not give freedom to their women. I ask you again. "Do the Hindus respect their women?" You be the judge!
So far i know, Hinduism degrade always only women.

[nasdfrdg]

Believe me - Sati and all that stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.

[bMc8F9ZI]

As far as the Taliban goes...they did many things that were forbidden such as forbidding girls to go to school after age seven. The Taliban no more represent Islam than the Crusades represent the teachings of the Christianity from the New Testament. The problem lies in people claiming to be Muslims and committing acts contradictory to the Quran. I am sure that Chrisitians have the same problem.....don't see Bush exactly "turning the other cheek."

http://www.theunjustmedia.com/Afghan...s%E2%80%99.htm
"The Islamic Emirate was neither before nor is it currently against education for women but stresses such education only be done under an Islamic environment and within confines of Islamic principles."

other reports also say they did not have money to build segregated schools, and that at the time afghanistan was really unsafe thereby it was better to have the womenfolk not leave their home. they have built schools for girls. but its evidence i cannot seem to remember where i saw