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pepBarihepe 08-13-2012 05:35 AM

Is the fingerprints verse (75:4) disapproves evolution?
 
Do apes have fingerprints like us? I was thinking if we were from apes, the fingerprints were not carried across into the human; thus disapproving evolution? I know my logic is a bit twisted but you get my drift?

75:4. Nay, We are able to put
Together in perfect order
The very tips of his fingers.

BTW
Is it right for "modern" tafseers to interpret this ayah to the miracle of fingerprints?

jeepgrandch 08-13-2012 06:16 AM

There are some Muslims who think evolution theory is true and it is okay to believe it and still be a Muslim if they believe that Allah caused it.

However the theory has many problems with it....when these darwinists explain it, they always say you do not understand when you disagree with them. They give things like nature a personality in their books, they say things like natural selection did this or that, or random mutations just happened to create this or that. It sounds like make believe to me.

If you look at it wholistically...they say that the soil has little millions of creatures (microbes) in a spoon full of soil...without these we would get not plants. Tree and plant roots help keep the soil firm, if you chop away the trees and take away the plants, when it rains it washes away all the soil and can cause floods and mud slides. All the trees and plants help to maintain the atmosphere and the air, temperature of the earth.

Now given all this we should ask how did the first plants establish themselves? Did microbes already exist in the soil, how come the soil was not washed away with the rains? What was the atmosphere of the earth like without any plants?

NarunapyCalry 08-13-2012 06:27 AM

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Now given all this we should ask how did the first plants establish themselves? Did microbes already exist in the soil, how come the soil was not washed away with the rains? What was the atmosphere of the earth like without any plants?
Is this the case of chicken or the egg - which came first?

xLQLRcXh 08-13-2012 06:41 AM

We all agree that prophet adam pbuh was the first man on earth.
Allah made him in the shape of a human.
We are all descendants of Prophet adam pbuh.

No apes involved I believe.

And Allah knows best (:

Kissntell 08-13-2012 06:46 AM

The Evolution theory is just that a theory http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif perhaps some creatures may have evolved who knows. It's a mystery, but definately not human beings and not from apes. Prophet adam was the first and eve the second. Full stop

L8fGLM4d 08-13-2012 07:31 AM

if all life evolved because of miniscule chance mutations, then we would see un-countable fossils in varying stages of evolution.

we would also see uncountable fossils with mutations that did not quite make it and came to a dead end.
for example - for an animal to have an eye, it would need everything else associated with the eye such as the eyelids, eye sockets, optical nerves, the eye itself etc. now if this through stages of genetic mutation, then we should see fossils that mutated in this way but did not mutate all the way up to having an eye. there should be fossils with just eye sockets but no eyes. eyelids but no eyes. eye balls but no optical nerves. etc.

this is just a crude example from the top of my own head. the point is where are all these different degrees of genetic mutations that we are told about? this planet should be buried in them.

doogiehoussi 08-13-2012 07:46 AM

I evoled in to a Dinosaur http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif RAWWRRR

Prosocorneliay 08-13-2012 08:27 AM

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if all life evolved because of miniscule chance mutations, then we would see un-countable fossils in varying stages of evolution.
This is not correct. The conditions for organic remains to become fossilized aren't that common. Otherwise, you'd find fossils pretty much anywhere you dig, but that's clearly not the case.

CialisBestPrice 08-13-2012 08:30 AM

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I evoled in to a Dinosaur http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif RAWWRRR
Holy Qur'aan 75 ; 1 - 10 , [ Revealed In The Year 614 A.D. ] Al Qiyaamah ~ The Standing , Resurrection , ( Is speaking about ~ Muhammad Swears By Al Qiyaamah ~ And He Doesn't Swear By The Person , Who Constanly Blames Another , Or Accuses Himself ~ Does The Enosite Think , That The Heavenly Host Can't Gather His Bones ? ~ The Heavenly Host Also Reconstructed His Banaanah ~ The Enosites Wants To Deny The Day Of Resurrection ~ He Asks , Ayyaan Is The Day Of Resurrection ? ~ When The Sight Is Dazzled And The Moon And The Sun Are Gathered Together ~ The Enosite Will Want To Know Where Is The Nafarr ?

fotodemujerahldesnugdo 08-13-2012 08:36 AM

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This is not correct. The conditions for organic remains to become fossilized aren't that common. Otherwise, you'd find fossils pretty much anywhere you dig, but that's clearly not the case.
i am not much read up on this subject.

have they found transitional fossils that show genetic mutations within a species which could then lead to the evolution of that species into a different species?

stunnyravytal 08-13-2012 10:23 AM

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Is this the case of chicken or the egg - which came first?
The one that Allah decided to create before.

timgreyuvcz 08-13-2012 12:38 PM

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Is the fingerprints verse (75:4) disapproves evolution?
I think the Adam http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/alayhis.gif & Huwa (Eve) http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/alayhis.gif verse(s) 'disapproves evolution'.

What do you think?

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AbraroLib 08-13-2012 01:29 PM

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i am not much read up on this subject.

have they found transitional fossils that show genetic mutations within a species which could then lead to the evolution of that species into a different species?
Several plausible transitional fossils have been found. Frankly, the anti-evolution arguments which state that there are no plausible transitional fossils are outdated .. and perhaps even embarrassing. If you really want a genuine inquiry into this subject, or want to post 'arguments' against evolution, I would suggest you read up on the current scientific understanding of evolution, and the evidence upon which it is based. The website, talkorigins, is a decent place to start.

Also, take some time to understand the scientific method, and what it really means when the scientific community refers to something as a "theory".

CoallyPax 08-13-2012 01:35 PM

"Evolution" is too broad a term and vague more and more by the day. Throw away the term and analyse it or refut it by being very specific. You'll see the holes and fallacys easier then. Also a bit of philosophical level logic would be useful tool to understand fallacys in the arguments better.

mirzaterak 08-13-2012 08:39 PM

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Holy Qur'aan 75 ; 1 - 10 , [ Revealed In The Year 614 A.D. ] Al Qiyaamah ~ The Standing , Resurrection , ( Is speaking about ~ Muhammad Swears By Al Qiyaamah ~ And He Doesn't Swear By The Person , Who Constanly Blames Another , Or Accuses Himself ~ Does The Enosite Think , That The Heavenly Host Can't Gather His Bones ? ~ The Heavenly Host Also Reconstructed His Banaanah ~ The Enosites Wants To Deny The Day Of Resurrection ~ He Asks , Ayyaan Is The Day Of Resurrection ? ~ When The Sight Is Dazzled And The Moon And The Sun Are Gathered Together ~ The Enosite Will Want To Know Where Is The Nafarr ?
What are you trying to say?
Erm explain

pobrierce 08-13-2012 08:45 PM

=vagabond Frankly, the anti-evolution arguments which state that there are no plausible transitional fossils are outdated .. and perhaps even embarrassing. Can you expand on this. I find it amazing and embarrassing that atheist scientists can with a straight face and in all seriousness claim to give us an explanation of life via their 'findings' claiming that it all happened by itself.


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