[annouhMus]

Assalaamu alaikum

it is blessed Ramadan again
i trust you are enjoying sehri and iftaar
samosas pakoray fruit etc lol

some people can tell me how that new delicacy tastes
shaykh hamza yusuf's flesh, is it tasty?
People many who have not met him, know nothing about him
probably jealous of him
khayr
his latest khutbah on how women should be
he is not a modernist folks

http://sandala.org/blog/2012/08/03/t...lecture-notes/

[Wvq9InTM]

for the reminder about gheebah.
Maulana Saad (db) says that it's probably human flesh that is consumed the most in the world through the means of gheebah.
May Allaah save us from it. Ameen.

[MeverikcNils]

49:12. O ye who believe!
Avoid suspicion as much
(As possible): for suspicion
In some cases is a sin:
And spy not on each other,
Nor speak ill of each other
Behind their backs. Would any
Of you like to eat
The flesh of his dead
Brother? Nay, ye would
Abhor it… But fear God:
For God is Oft-Returning,
Most Merciful.

[Caluabdum]

Hamza Yusuf lost my respect and admiration when he joked that he wanted to make a theme park based on Dante's infamous Divina Commedia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2ZWl...ayer_embedded#!), a work which castigates the best of creation, our Prophet Muhammad and his cousin, our liege-lord 'Ali and places them in the depths of hell - na'udubillah.

And having ghayrah for the Prophet is not the same as gheeba.

[masterso]

has he clarified his stance on lahori qadianis?

[genna]

Jealousy can manifest itself by over critically looking at the faults of the person one feels envious of, and not using the same for oneself. A kind of self-righteous I am so much better than him, and being micro scrupulous with others but not oneself, so pride also being present. Fame and influence bring their enemies.

Islam teaches husne zan, have a good opinion of others, make excuses for their apparent wrong doing, but we want to police others and be judgemental it feels good to the nafs. Why not leave it to Allah swt to Judge people, lets not pick faults in others when we ourselves are full of faults.

[Hdzcxqoi]

Mashallah he is a beautifull and great scholor of Islam in this age and time. I hope he makes such open and clear statements in North American conferences and venues too. InshAllah it will benefit alot to the ummah on this side of the world.

May Allah protect him and bless his Faiz for this ummah.

[Appenianags]

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: the servant (who conceals) the faults of others in this world, Allah would conceal his faults on the Day of Resurrection. (Muslim, Book #032, Hadith #6267)

Jesus is supposed to have said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..." John 8:7

[TudareWQT]

There is no gheeba in warning and criticizing a scholar for his deviant stances. Learn the fiqh of ghiba first, before you acuse others of this great sin.

[BarBoss]

There is no gheeba in warning and criticizing a scholar for his deviant stances. Learn the fiqh of ghiba first, before you acuse others of this great sin.

what are valid differences to one person

or honest mistakes to another

may be deviant stances to a third


Allah will judge who is right


but its best not to use strong language about any Sunni scholars at all who are respected and held in freindship by many respected Sunni scholars of different traditions as we may find we get into trouble later for it, however right we seemed at the time and I am not talking just about Sheikh HY

[hauptdaunnila]

Hamza Yusuf lost my respect and admiration when he joked that he wanted to make a theme park based on Dante's infamous Divina Commedia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2ZWl...ayer_embedded#!), a work which castigates the best of creation, our Prophet Muhammad and his cousin, our liege-lord 'Ali and places them in the depths of hell - na'udubillah.

very unfortunate that he said that, but maybe he has thought about it and he knows better now.

maybe his park would be a new version where it is dante who is cut in half like a peeled banana

[18holesin]

Hamza Yusuf lost my respect and admiration when he joked that he wanted to make a theme park based on Dante's infamous Divina Commedia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2ZWl...ayer_embedded#!), a work which castigates the best of creation, our Prophet Muhammad and his cousin, our liege-lord 'Ali and places them in the depths of hell - na'udubillah.

And having ghayrah for the Prophet is not the same as gheeba.

we should stop listening to him till he publicly renegades from these words.

[KatoabamyHant]

what are valid differences to one person

or honest mistakes to another

may be deviant stances to a third


Allah will judge who is right


but its best not to use strong language about any Sunni scholars at all who are respected and held in freindship by many respected Sunni scholars of different traditions as we may find we get into trouble later for it, however right we seemed at the time and I am not talking just about Sheikh HY

Ansari-
If you feel confident you are correct on this issue and are willing to stand before Allah(swt) on the day of judgement
and attack shaykh hamza because you understand the fiqh- that's fine

I'll abstain until I learn the fiqh of gheebah, and the reality of what he said.
Be my guest though akhi...

[Sipewrio]

Ansari-
If you feel confident you are correct on this issue and are willing to stand before Allah(swt) on the day of judgement
and attack shaykh hamza because you understand the fiqh- that's fine

I'll abstain until I learn the fiqh of gheebah, and the reality of what he said.
Be my guest though akhi...

poor argument. one can also say 'are you willing to stand before Allah defending a man who joked that he wanted to make a theme park based on Dante's infamous Divina Commedia'.
'are you willing to stand before Allah defending a man who did not do takfir of lahori qadianis'.

this is merely emotional rhetoric. until he publicly renegades from such things we should not watch his lectures, listen to his lectures etc.

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

very unfortunate that he said that, but maybe he has thought about it and he knows better now.

maybe his park would be a new version where it is dante who is cut in half like a peeled banana

Well, people tend to focus on the bad, when it deals with other cultures... I am sure there is more Dante Divine Comedy then the negative things that the brother mentioned...

When I say, I love living in America, it doesn't mean I endorse the negative aspects of it, it means I endorse the positive things about it.
When I say, I really like University of Virginia, it was a blast when I was going there, it doesn't mean I endorsed the negative things that happen on that campus, it only means I endorse the positive things of it.

When Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said those things, he wasn't endorsing the negative aspects of Dante Divine Comedy, he was only endorsing the positive aspects of it.

I love Pakistan... I love Egypt.... I am sure when people say this they are not endorsing the negative aspects of those countries, only the positive aspects of it...

why can't muslim see the positive side of things..... they are so negative..... everybody else's shaykh is wrong accept mine...

[DrBrightonone]

Yes.I think you have taken his words out of context.
He said he wanted to make a theme park out of dante-
having rides for the different sins such as lust /greed etc
This is compatible with having rides showing punishments for the sins from the mi'raaj.

As far as his depiction of the Prophet(saw) it was wrong and based on the incorrect information given to Dante
as many christians at that time were told he was a sower of schism and a spreader of falsehood.
dante didnt put him in hell for being a truthful man , for being as saadiq al ameen, For having good aklhlaaq. for helping the poor.
One presumes Dante didnt know and was fed incorrect info about the Prophet(saw) and if we met Dante we would correct his
misconceptions .
As Ghazzali said

(1) There are some peoples who have not been reached by the message of the Prophet of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace) that we must worship the One God alone, associating nothing else with Him. Such people are innocent, and will not be punished no matter what they do. Allah says in surat al-Isra',

"We do not punish until We send a Messenger" (Koran 17:15).

The great Muslim scholar, Imam Ghazali, includes in this category those who have only been reached with a distorted picture of the Messenger of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace)
? In Ghazali's view, such people are excused until after they have had an opportunity to learn the undistorted truth about Islam (Ghazali: "Faysal al - tafriqa," Majmu'a rasa'il al-Imam al-Ghazali, 3.96).So we don't defend Dante, but we say his whole society was fed misinformation about our Beloved(saw) and had he seen a man representing the prophetic beauty like shaykh hamza Yusuf he would have made tawbah, wore a white turban and established a theme park together insha'allah

And you guys would be given free tickets for the fiqh of gheebah velocity ride.

How often qasawaT-ul-qalb masquerades as ghayrah, -
Anyway I think someone who wants to have husn e dhann of shaykh hamza yusuf can- and someone who wants to attack him also can legitamately both on the basis of sound theology and fiqh.
So either you can deal with your brother based on Rahmah(which is the dominant attribute of Muhammad(SAW)-who you claim to follow,
or you can do it based on the anger and jalal that occasionaly manifests from the ahlal haq and often manifests from the shayateen.

I'm not a statistician, but i know where I will go-
?silence?

[investor]

As far as his depiction of the Prophet(saw) it was wrong and based on the incorrect information given to Dante
as many christians at that time were told he was a sower of schism and a spreader of falsehood.
dante didnt put him in hell for being a truthful man , for being as saadiq al ameen, For having good aklhlaaq. for helping the poor.
One presumes Dante didnt know and was fed incorrect info about the Prophet(saw) and if we met Dante we would correct his
misconceptions

any proofs of this?
so now we need to have husn e dhann for dante as well?

[sigrekatonov]

Yes.I think you have taken his words out of context.
He said he wanted to make a theme park out of dante-
having rides for the different sins such as lust /greed etc
This is compatible with having rides showing punishments for the sins from the mi'raaj.

As far as his depiction of the Prophet(saw) it was wrong and based on the incorrect information given to Dante
as many christians at that time were told he was a sower of schism and a spreader of falsehood.
dante didnt put him in hell for being a truthful man , for being as saadiq al ameen, For having good aklhlaaq. for helping the poor.
One presumes Dante didnt know and was fed incorrect info about the Prophet(saw) and if we met Dante we would correct his
misconceptions .
As Ghazzali said

(1) There are some peoples who have not been reached by the message of the Prophet of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace) that we must worship the One God alone, associating nothing else with Him. Such people are innocent, and will not be punished no matter what they do. Allah says in surat al-Isra',

"We do not punish until We send a Messenger" (Koran 17:15).

The great Muslim scholar, Imam Ghazali, includes in this category those who have only been reached with a distorted picture of the Messenger of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace)
? In Ghazali's view, such people are excused until after they have had an opportunity to learn the undistorted truth about Islam (Ghazali: "Faysal al - tafriqa," Majmu'a rasa'il al-Imam al-Ghazali, 3.96).So we don't defend Dante, but we say his whole society was fed misinformation about our Beloved(saw) and had he seen a man representing the prophetic beauty like shaykh hamza Yusuf he would have made tawbah, wore a white turban and established a theme park together insha'allah

And you guys would be given free tickets for the fiqh of gheebah velocity ride.

How often qasawaT-ul-qalb masquerades as ghayrah, -
Anyway I think someone who wants to have husn e dhann of shaykh hamza yusuf can- and someone who wants to attack him also can legitamately both on the basis of sound theology and fiqh.
So either you can deal with your brother based on Rahmah(which is the dominant attribute of Muhammad(SAW)-who you claim to follow,
or you can do it based on the anger and jalal that occasionaly manifests from the ahlal haq and often manifests from the shayateen.

I'm not a statistician, but i know where I will go-
?silence?

You are awesome brother... I didn't have time to listen to the lecture but thanks for clearing his name. May Allah reward you with the best in this life and the next.

I love Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

[lrtoinbert]

any proofs of this?
so now we need to have husn e dhann for dante as well?

Muslims are suppose to be just... That is why people enter into Islam when the Prophet, sallahu alayhi wa salam, was alive, because he was just and merciful...

[Teareerah]

whats the point of this thread?