[ChrisGoldstein]

The West is neither an unimpeachable beacon of good or the source of all the world's ills. It's needs have dominated global commerce and affairs for much of the last two centuries but soon, that will no longer be the case. Power centres wax and wane. The West is waning. But the problem is it cant be replaced with the Islamic either because to be fair half way through we failed to exist and and I cant see any hope at the end of the tunnel.

To be honest having 1.6 billion Muslims doesn't equate into advancement, especially when we cant resolve our own problems in Syria, Somalia, Libya etc

for some reason we just lost it and all we are bussy doing now is praying 5 times a day and that's it. We cant control our politics, finances , cultures and even our destiny and its kinda reminiscent of the fall of the Islamic civilization
Anyone?

[ITYfl01c]

The West is neither an unimpeachable beacon of good or the source of all the world's ills. It's needs have dominated global commerce and affairs for much of the last two centuries but soon, that will no longer be the case. Power centres wax and wane. The West is waning. But the problem is it cant be replaced with the Islamic either because to be fair half way through we failed to exist and and I cant see any hope at the end of the tunnel.

To be honest having 1.6 billion Muslims doesn't equate into advancement, especially when we cant resolve our own problems in Syria, Somalia, Libya etc

for some reason we just lost it and all we are bussy doing now is praying 5 times a day and that's it. We cant control our politics, finances , cultures and even our destiny and its kinda reminiscent of the fall of the Islamic civilization
Anyone?

True, I think we have to go back to the very roots of the Tree whose branches and leaves are dying away. The root of all the crises is that serious loss of understanding and recognition of Who really Allah is and who really is our Prophet S.W. Our belief have become something that we just inherit from out forfathers, our conviction is weak, therefore we take desperate measures which are against Shariah. And the reason is our lost of Trust in Allah and loss of trust in the ways that our Prophet told us to act in situation. For this tree to flourish back again, it need to be given the proper nourishment at the root level, which is our Iman and Yaqeen. Our souls need to be nourished by the right food which is meant for it. We have been nourishing our souls on other than what Allah and his messenger ordered us. The love of Duniya has penetrated our Iman to such a level that even our ibadat are polluted with it. Hence we do pray 5 times but our actions manifest Fitnah, our dealings are unfair, our transactions are haram, our tongue speak lies, our knowledge is superficial and if even we take time out to study then it is only on the tongue, doesnt penetrate into our hearts. So this is our state collectively. So collectively as an ummah we fail. So our politics fail, our businesses fail, our states fail.

[brulpcoersero]

Muslims need to unite as one. We are all brothers and sisters but we see Muslim killing Muslim so much - too much.

We need peace between eachother before we can grow and advance and succeed. That's my opinion atleast.

[orgagsUpsepsy]

True, I think we have to go back to the very roots of the Tree whose branches and leaves are dying away. The root of all the crises is that serious loss of understanding and recognition of Who really Allah is and who really is our Prophet S.W. Our belief have become something that we just inherit from out forfathers, our conviction is weak, therefore we take desperate measures which are against Shariah. And the reason is our lost of Trust in Allah and loss of trust in the ways that our Prophet told us to act in situation. For this tree to flourish back again, it need to be given the proper nourishment at the root level, which is our Iman and Yaqeen. Our souls need to be nourished by the right food which is meant for it. We have been nourishing our souls on other than what Allah and his messenger ordered us. The love of Duniya has penetrated our Iman to such a level that even our ibadat are polluted with it. Hence we do pray 5 times but our actions manifest Fitnah, our dealings are unfair, our transactions are haram, our tongue speak lies, our knowledge is superficial and if even we take time out to study then it is only on the tongue, doesnt penetrate into our hearts. So this is our state collectively. So collectively as an ummah we fail. So our politics fail, our businesses fail, our states fail.

Brother you just swept the floor. InshaAllah I will come back to the thread later

[esanamaserrn]

Don't lose hope. I don't know if it was from a hadith or not, but Yusuf Chambers in a lecture once said, 'Establish an Islamic State in your heart and surely an islamic state will be established around you'. Pirbaba is absolutely right. What i would say is. and this is only something i've been learning very recently is. i myself cannot change the world. What is happening in somalia, syria and other places crushes my heart. But then, why should i start there. First i start with myself, and through my example i help bring others closer to islam (inshallah), and inshallah it starts a chain reaction. Soon, these units, these families, form a chain reaction together, leading to bigger and better things together inshallah.
On a side note, i heard about a charity yesterday which is doing something like this. A British charity i believe called Rahma mercy are doing dawah work in Albania and Kosovo. (please note firstly, these two countries are not on the 'radar' that much and they are not trying to change the world). Inshallah they will build the FIRST hifz memorisation academy in Albania soon and they are helping to build mosques in Albania. You know something, there are only 14 mosques in all of Albania! Thats less than Birmingham! my point is, it is through grass roots actions like this that Muslims can change our environment. I was hugely humbled to hear about them. They are doers, inshallah i hope I can become someone like that also.

[dfuzioniag]

Muslims need to unite as one. We are all brothers and sisters but we see Muslim killing Muslim so much - too much.

We need peace between eachother before we can grow and advance and succeed. That's my opinion atleast.

Muslims cant unite. fortget about that. we are too bussy with non-issues

why do you think Allah (SW) made a promise that he will protect his deen?

he knew we are bogus and thats who we are.

[DrunkMans]

Muslims cant unite. fortget about that. we are too bussy with non-issues

why do you think Allah (SW) made a promise that he will protect his deen?

he knew we are bogus and thats who we are.

Asalamwalaikum,

I know you're frustrated, so let's slowly make a change. I'm starting with myself. Inshallah by billionths of an inch at a time, im helping to change my family environment. Alhumdullilah we are encouraging one another. As i become more open in talking about islam, so does my sister for instance. We have to start from the basics. If we cannot change our ownselves, if we cannot build good families, we cannot even begin to think about changing the world. thinking otherwise we are just risking delusions of grandiosity. Thinking yourself of bogus is exceedingly dangerous.** I am not a scholar so i severely dislike quoting hadith/aya because i may have completely misinterpreted them. What i will say is however is that as far as i know in Islam, to be afraid of being a hypocrite is actually a very good sign. It means we are taking our imaan seriously, and because we do so we do our utmost to be better muslims. If one is complacent about their imaan that on the contrary can be very dangerous.

** edit, because it runs the risk of labelling yourself permanently as someone who is 'bad'. for instance if i am bad, and i call myself bad, then i will subconsciously find it easier to do bad things. if on the other hand i consider myself good, but sometimes i do bad things, i will find it easier to reject what i have done and seek forgiveness. hope that makes sense. Allah Knows Best

[amagmasia]

Asalamwalaikum,

I know you're frustrated, so let's slowly make a change. I'm starting with myself. Inshallah by billionths of an inch at a time, im helping to change my family environment. Alhumdullilah we are encouraging one another. As i become more open in talking about islam, so does my sister for instance. We have to start from the basics. If we cannot change our ownselves, if we cannot build good families, we cannot even begin to think about changing the world. thinking otherwise we are just risking delusions of grandiosity. Thinking yourself of bogus is exceedingly dangerous.** I am not a scholar so i severely dislike quoting hadith/aya because i may have completely misinterpreted them. What i will say is however is that as far as i know in Islam, to be afraid of being a hypocrite is actually a very good sign. It means we are taking our imaan seriously, and because we do so we do our utmost to be better muslims. If one is complacent about their imaan that on the contrary can be very dangerous.

** edit, because it runs the risk of labelling yourself permanently as someone who is 'bad'. for instance if i am bad, and i call myself bad, then i will subconsciously find it easier to do bad things. if on the other hand i consider myself good, but sometimes i do bad things, i will find it easier to reject what i have done and seek forgiveness. hope that makes sense. Allah Knows Best

Shukran for your input and InshaAllah I will come back with an indepth analysis

[Cyzkrahu]

The West is neither an unimpeachable beacon of good or the source of all the world's ills. It's needs have dominated global commerce and affairs for much of the last two centuries but soon, that will no longer be the case. Power centres wax and wane. The West is waning. But the problem is it cant be replaced with the Islamic either because to be fair half way through we failed to exist and and I cant see any hope at the end of the tunnel.

To be honest having 1.6 billion Muslims doesn't equate into advancement, especially when we cant resolve our own problems in Syria, Somalia, Libya etc

for some reason we just lost it and all we are bussy doing now is praying 5 times a day and that's it. We cant control our politics, finances , cultures and even our destiny and its kinda reminiscent of the fall of the Islamic civilization
Anyone?

What is it about Islamic societies such as North Africa or the Middle East(I am not confusing government with religion) that attract dictators?

[Beerinkol]

What is it about Islamic societies such as North Africa or the Middle East(I am not confusing government with religion) that attract dictators?

Its complicated and does involve various different factors for corrupt rulers to form a dictatorship.But its also a two way street, the common people also reach to a degree of corruption which sort of paves way for these dictators to come into powers. But again its much more complicated and it cannot be said for each area.

[bikersfan]

What is it about Islamic societies such as North Africa or the Middle East(I am not confusing government with religion) that attract dictators?

It's not about their Islamic societies (as in seeing in them a "cultural, innate predisposition" to tiranny); it's about history, specifically neocolonialism.

You could give it a try to read some books about it.

[Slintreeoost]

Asalamwalaikum,

I know you're frustrated, so let's slowly make a change. I'm starting with myself. Inshallah by billionths of an inch at a time, im helping to change my family environment. Alhumdullilah we are encouraging one another. As i become more open in talking about islam, so does my sister for instance. We have to start from the basics. If we cannot change our ownselves, if we cannot build good families, we cannot even begin to think about changing the world. thinking otherwise we are just risking delusions of grandiosity. Thinking yourself of bogus is exceedingly dangerous.** I am not a scholar so i severely dislike quoting hadith/aya because i may have completely misinterpreted them. What i will say is however is that as far as i know in Islam, to be afraid of being a hypocrite is actually a very good sign. It means we are taking our imaan seriously, and because we do so we do our utmost to be better muslims. If one is complacent about their imaan that on the contrary can be very dangerous.

** edit, because it runs the risk of labelling yourself permanently as someone who is 'bad'. for instance if i am bad, and i call myself bad, then i will subconsciously find it easier to do bad things. if on the other hand i consider myself good, but sometimes i do bad things, i will find it easier to reject what i have done and seek forgiveness. hope that makes sense. Allah Knows Best

something is wrong when we stray from priorities....

back to thread i asked someone yesterday and he said that some traditionalist Muslims believed that the Crusades and Mongol invasions may have been a divine punishment from God against Muslims deviating from the Sunnah, a view that was held even by the famous polymath Ibn al-Nafis. Such traditionalist views as well as numerous wars and conflicts at the time are believed to have created a climate which made Islamic science less successful than before. Another reason given for this decline is the disruption to the cycle of equity based on Ibn Khaldun's famous model of Asabiyyah (the rise and fall of civilizations), which points to the decline being mainly due to political and economic factors rather than religious factors.

[Markdogas]

What is it about Islamic societies such as North Africa or the Middle East(I am not confusing government with religion) that attract dictators?

Read a book called: CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN

[Sironimoll]

Muslims cant unite. fortget about that. we are too bussy with non-issues

why do you think Allah (SW) made a promise that he will protect his deen?

he knew we are bogus and thats who we are.

this...

[meteeratymn]

The West is neither an unimpeachable beacon of good or the source of all the world's ills. It's needs have dominated global commerce and affairs for much of the last two centuries but soon, that will no longer be the case. Power centres wax and wane. The West is waning. But the problem is it cant be replaced with the Islamic either because to be fair half way through we failed to exist and and I cant see any hope at the end of the tunnel.

To be honest having 1.6 billion Muslims doesn't equate into advancement, especially when we cant resolve our own problems in Syria, Somalia, Libya etc

for some reason we just lost it and all we are bussy doing now is praying 5 times a day and that's it. We cant control our politics, finances , cultures and even our destiny and its kinda reminiscent of the fall of the Islamic civilization
Anyone?

When you hit the floor the only way is up.

Arab Spring = up.