[BodeOmissemia]

yes I did. im only here for a short time, to show you how deficient many of you are whilst sitting around criticizing others all day. until I see some fund raising for the rebels I consider any deobandi who opens his mouth about other Muslims to be a hypocrite. those of you who take this seriously will accept there are serious problems and think about ways to get funds to the rebels to fight assad with. If even one of you does this then yes inshAllah this will be of great benefit. Additional benefit if you stop moaning about salafis and arabs

When did I moan about Salafis and Arabs? This is a slander against me. It seems like you the only one who is moaning about everything and everyone non-Salafi and non-Arab - look at the title of the thread for this.

[bWn4h8QD]

well in the UK they are doing what they can..many masjids are collecting relief money for Syria

in the subcontinent you have to remember the awwam are not loaded like the Saudis and those in the gulf

if Saudi are really helping then may Allah reward them..lets hope they start doing the same with all the Muslim countries and not just those that the US is cool with helping

not being loaded doesnt excuse them for not doing anything

and this is how much saudi raised so far:

$117m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19077622


How much did pakistan raise?

[choollaBard]

al qa'eda arent mujahideen, since when has attacking civilians been jihad?

And yes there are ikhwanis in syria. A lot of ikhwanis. And I hope they gain power in syria inshAllah. We dont need jihadi groups with their little kkhashnikov rifles and roadside bombs, how can you secure an islamic state with such primitive weaponry and how will Allah grant a khilafah to those who kill womena nd children?

your first line is a common misnomer thrown around without knowledge of who constitutes a civilian, whether civilians are killed, whether they were muslim or not, who was targeted, who accepted responsibility and who denied it, which source brought the news and whether ulema have permitted the unintentional killing of women and children and old men as happened in various ghazwa.

secondly name one ikhwani in syria. most likely manaf tlass will be made head of syria. he is an army officer who defected and is popularized in media a lot.

thirdly i told you mujahideen are of two categories in syria. alqaeda and syrian jihadists. you cannot separate the latter from secularists of FSA. so when you call for people to arm them how will you make sure these jihadists whom you slander of killing women and children do not get these weapons?

and have the FSA non-jihadis got better weapons than ak-47 and IEDs? did you see the extra-judicial killing of the shabiha few days back by FSA? is that islamic to kill someone w/o a trial esp since courts are there?

please don't talk about things you don't understand or know much about it.

[Coellacag]

When did I moan about Salafis and Arabs? This is a slander against me. It seems like you the only one who is moaning about everything and everyone non-Salafi and non-Arab - look at the title of the thread for this.

If you didn't then this won't apply to you brother. There are a lot of muslims who are fed up with sectarianism and just want to work for ISLAM alhamdulillah

[PymnImmen]

well in the UK they are doing what they can..many masjids are collecting relief money for Syria

in the subcontinent you have to remember the awwam are not loaded like the Saudis and those in the gulf

if Saudi are really helping then may Allah reward them..lets hope they start doing the same with all the Muslim countries and not just those that the US is cool with helping

YEP this is correct!!!

[QXCharles]

not being loaded doesnt excuse them for not doing anything

and this is how much saudi raised so far:

$117m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19077622


How much did pakistan raise?

considering most of the people in pakistan dont even have electricity or clean water to drink i would say its hardly a fraction of that

buttt heres where you have misunderstood...people here do criticize the Saudi government..not the population....but have you ever seen them saying anything positive about the Pakistani government or Indian government?

its not about race...that they only are against arabs...its against all those governments who are puppets to the west... Pakistani government and Indian government are all included in this

[huntbytnkbel]

not being loaded doesnt excuse them for not doing anything

and this is how much saudi raised so far:

$117m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19077622


How much did pakistan raise?

why did saudi need to raise the money when the govt is rich itself?

[Nothatspecial]

your first line is a common misnomer thrown around without knowledge of who constitutes a civilian, whether civilians are killed, whether they were muslim or not, who was targeted, who accepted responsibility and who denied it, which source brought the news and whether ulema have permitted the unintentional killing of women and children and old men as happened in various ghazwa.

secondly name one ikhwani in syria. most likely manaf tlass will be made head of syria. he is an army officer who defected and is popularized in media a lot.

thirdly i told you mujahideen are of two categories in syria. alqaeda and syrian jihadists. you cannot separate the latter from secularists of FSA. so when you call for people to arm them how will you make sure these jihadists whom you slander of killing women and children do not get these weapons?

and have the FSA non-jihadis got better weapons than ak-47 and IEDs? did you see the extra-judicial killing of the shabiha few days back by FSA? is that islamic to kill someone w/o a trial esp since courts are there?

please don't talk about things you don't understand or know much about it.

Ak-47's and roadside bombs are effective in syria. They arent effective in governing a state. we need f-16s and surface to air missiles

Why would I want to stop any particular fighters getting weapons, I just want Assad gone. the charity will take care of that stuff anyway, all i care about is getting weapons to the opposition inshallah

[tq4F7YKs]

why did saudi need to raise the money when the govt is rich itself?

see. you didn't raise a dime for the rebels, saudi raises 117million and all you can do is moan about why saudi didnt do EVEN MORE? Typical muslim disease of watching others before watching yourself and expecting everythign from others whilst doing nothing yourself.

Who says Saudi isnt providing money aswell btw?

I dont expect you to be happy for them and critical of yourselves become ive come to expect nothing less

[enasseneiff]

If you didn't then this won't apply to you brother. There are a lot of muslims who are fed up with sectarianism and just want to work for ISLAM alhamdulillah

Again and again you have been caught out making statements without knowledge, here and where brother mh16388 has pointed out and many, many times in the past. when are you going to learn?

[Toivaluadiora]

Ak-47's and roadside bombs are effective in syria. They arent effective in governing a state. we need f-16s and surface to air missiles

how does f-16s and air missiles make governance effective?
why do you make it out to be the rebel's fault they don't have weapons? its not like NATO gave them 100,000 guns and they picked only 200.

Why would I want to stop any particular fighters getting weapons, I just want Assad gone. the charity will take care of that stuff anyway, all i care about is getting weapons to the opposition inshallah

so you don't mind the jihadis who want shariah in syria get weapons and alqaeda who want the same (albeit more global)?

[cemDrymnVem]

criticizing Saudi government is not even a sectarianism thing...they criticize them because they are sell outs...just the same as Pakistani government and all those Muslim countries where they bow down to the west

your making it something its not

[CDCL7WKJ]

Again and again you have been caught out making statements without knowledge, here and where brother mh16388 has pointed out and many, many times in the past. when are you going to learn?

which statement without knowledge. its a joke that of all the nonsense going on here you say this to me. I am calling on unity and efforts for islam, at leats im calling for the thing thats needed. Where is this statement to those hellbent on making things worse or attacking their brother in islam?

[tigoCeree]

criticizing Saudi government is not even a sectarianism thing...they criticize them because they are sell outs...just the same as Pakistani government and all those Muslim countries where they bow down to the west

your making it something its not

I disagree. Even if saudi did exactly what turkey did, peple would favour turkey because saudi is salafi

peopel are always quick to dismiss any good in saudi

[antiggill]

see. you didn't raise a dime for the rebels, saudi raises 117million and all you can do is moan about why saudi didnt do EVEN MORE? Typical muslim disease of watching others before watching yourself and expecting everythign from others whilst doing nothing yourself.

Who says Saudi isnt providing money aswell btw?

I dont expect you to be happy for them and critical of yourselves become ive come to expect nothing less

i didn't say why they didn't do more. you assumed that.
can you show me how the govt is providing money? and how much?

my critique is rather more eloquently written by sister aram

[goatteatromiag]

see. you didn't raise a dime for the rebels, saudi raises 117million and all you can do is moan about why saudi didnt do EVEN MORE? Typical muslim disease of watching others before watching yourself and expecting everythign from others whilst doing nothing yourself.

Who says Saudi isnt providing money aswell btw?

I dont expect you to be happy for them and critical of yourselves become ive come to expect nothing less

Salaam'alaikum brother

Is there any way I can get money to pay for arms from UK to the rebels?

JazakAllahu khair

[soryalomop]

how does f-16s and air missiles make governance effective?
why do you make it out to be the rebel's fault they don't have weapons? its not like NATO gave them 100,000 guns and they picked only 200.


so you don't mind the jihadis who want shariah in syria get weapons and alqaeda who want the same (albeit more global)?

dont ask me that because the answer will get me arrested

and f-16's make governance effective because peopel cant just invade your land when you dont do what benefits them (figuratively speaking, obviously you need more weapons than just f 16s)

[pageup85]

I disagree. Even if saudi did exactly what turkey did, peple would favour turkey because saudi is salafi

peopel are always quick to dismiss any good in saudi

interesting thing is that many who hate saudi govt support bin laden and dr. al zawahiri. former is a salafi and latter is an egyptian ikhwani.

[HelenTay]

Salaam'alaikum brother

Is there any way I can get money to pay for arms from UK to the rebels?

JazakAllahu khair

may Allah reward you for your intention. I think a good start would be if we got clarification from the british government on the rules for sending money to this american charity being sent inshAllah. If we can find a way to legally channel money to america that would open things up inshAllah. Research is the first stage in my opinion. But someone more knowledgable will be better to formulate a plan inshAllah

Alhamdulillah that someone asked this question

[SiM7W2zi]

I think brother AbuFatimah has been negatively affected by this forum due to its unending saudi/salafi criticism. But the problem we now see of rebound salafi attack from other muslim group is a response to the dawah style of the salafi's in the last few decades. They were audacious in their views, accusatory, takfiris and exclusivists - many of them. But I see them changing for the good and they have become more moderate and balanced in their approach. I used to be one who thought everything saudi does is erroneous and also had because of the salafi dawah style adopted a similar style in defense of the Islamic tradition we were taught. But I think many of ours have now gone overboard and deem salafis as devilish najdis, errant, ill-educated and just against classical Islam in all its manifestation. Our scholars have to value the salafi people and their ideas. Some of them are great people and they have great fundamental ideas which can be valuable to the Islamic tradition. They have some extremely generous people and some of their ulema we have to value their academic abilities. I was in mombasa for two weeks and the most glowing, beloved mosque of many people centre around a new middle sized salafi mosque which mashAllah I was just awed by. The imam follows shafi madhab but he is salafi. Most people are shafi' in kenya but they flock to this mosque and learn great things from the learned Imam. Its packed from fajr to Isha'. He is a blessed sincere and praiseworthy individual. People are regularly seen hiding away tears in his spectacular khutbahs on friday. So if people remember I had made a thread about ambiguities in mind about salafis and how other Muslims should view them. I think we should be balanced, moderate and reasonable and not aggressive reactionaries to the salafi dawah style. WE should love them as proper Ahlus Sunnah without doubt and give them benefit of doubt for their sincere efforts. Salafis are our Muslim Ahlus Sunnah brothers. They are overall on the right even though they have many mistakes in their group like how we have other kinds of mistake. Salafis are generous. Salafis are the collective representation (crudely) of Hadrath Umar r.a. if I was to make an analogy. Remember there efforts to strike other groups will not end because they are literally obsessive manics about detecting and crushing bidah's. We should not become responsive aggression-aries in our treatment of them and about them rather we should better them by reciprocating love and showing them what the best Islam is, which the deobandi ulema have shown us and what other great scholars like for me Harun Yahya has shown me. These days its become so common to bash and flog Saudis its unimaginable both by non-Muslims and now more recently Muslims of other orientations. ITs easy to be on the saudi bashing camp but then think of it as why are we marginalizing this Ahlus Sunnah group and its people for a few adverse traits of theirs.