[GarryPaterson]

If you guys are not too busy with your very important "work" of refuting the save maryam campaign or "exposing" salafis and arabs, you might want to start doing something actually useful like raising money for teh syrian rebels. Why has their been no campaign to raise money for arms? Deobandis have so many mosques and followers, why is their no mass campaign to raise money for jihad?

The arabs have been arming the syrian rebels:

"The arms were apparently delivered to the rebels by Turkey, though whether they provided them directly or they were “gifted” by way of one of the many Gulf states also pouring cash and weaponry into the rebellion is unknown"

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/08/01/r...raft-missiles/


Those of you from america can now legally raise money for weapons so lets see if pakistan or american deobandis take advantage f this or if they stick to their very important efforts to attack arabs and salafis 24/7


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/08/0...or-syrian.html

"The Obama administration quietly has cleared the way for U.S. residents to buy weapons for the rebels who are fighting to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad, granting a Washington-based advocacy group a rare license to collect money for arms and other equipment"

And where is teh pakistani governments efforts to raise cash for teh rebels. All I see you guys do is attack salafis and arabs and personally I dont see your in any position to criticise them. perhaps taking a good long hard look at ourselves first is the best approach. Allahu musta'aan, with people like us in the ummah we dont need enemies

[replrobin]

lol@ washington 'quietly' raising money through residents. this is rubbish. are the US low on funds? do they need to be quiet if they are raising money through residents? has the CIA become a community centre?

secondly do you even know the US is not giving any military aid whatsoever for fear of it making its way to alq@eda?

as for other countries i will make no excuse for them. they take dictation from kuffar. spineless. absolutely spineless. even if in subcontinent (whose people you hate so ardently) people collect funds for syria (either military or humanitarian aid) they will be captured by their intelligence agencies and thrown into jails. for the fighters in khorasan to travel across iran to syria is difficult because they are engaged by, you guessed it, so-called muslim armies in khorasan. yet many many arab fighters have assembled under alq@eda to establish khilafa in syria (finally).

don't blame the sincere muslims in these countries. blame the secular governments, the secular armies and their liberal mouthpieces.

if i could send the money somehow i would make sure it did not land into the hands of secular rebels but in either the hands of syrian jihadis or alq@eda (probably jabhat ul nusrah). but how can i send it? how can i campaign for it? do you have any ideas?

[Civilrecordzz]

lol@ washington 'quietly' raising money through residents. this is rubbish. are the US low on funds? do they need to be quiet if they are raising money through residents? has the CIA become a community centre?

secondly do you even know the US is not giving any military aid whatsoever for fear of it making its way to alq@eda?

as for other countries i will make no excuse for them. they take dictation from kuffar. spineless. absolutely spineless. even if in subcontinent (whose people you hate so ardently) people collect funds for syria (either military or humanitarian aid) they will be captured by their intelligence agencies and thrown into jails. for the fighters in khorasan to travel across iran to syria is difficult because they are engaged by, you guessed it, so-called muslim armies in khorasan. yet many many arab fighters have assembled under alq@eda to establish khilafa in syria (finally).

don't blame the sincere muslims in these countries. blame the secular governments, the secular armies and their liberal mouthpieces.

if i could send the money somehow i would make sure it did not land into the hands of secular rebels but in either the hands of syrian jihadis or alq@eda (probably jabhat ul nusrah). but how can i send it? how can i campaign for it? do you have any ideas?

if your in the USA i just told you that you are now legally allowed to fund raise for rebels.

I suggest speaking to deobandi scholars and tablighees about a mass awareness and fundraising campaign in all the mosques. Muslims in other western nations could send it to the american charities if they cant send it directly to rebels.

As for countries, you could try pressuring pakistan and indonesia and other nations to follow the arabs in providing weapons and support to teh rebels.

Until then stop criticising salafis and arabs and look at your own pathetic weakness. Me included. This i sthe thing which stopped me criticising sufis and asharis. Because we all brothers and all have weakness and tehre are righteous salafis AND deobandis who bring us all to shame, righteous arabs AND asians who brign us all to shame.

But until you guys do something, DO NOT sit their on your high horses criticising everyone else, especially arabs and salafis who seem to be focused on more than anyone else dispite doing much good

your window of opportunity is there. america has said they wont penalise you for fund raising for rebels, so now its in your hands. what will you do? Anoher anti salafi thread? "Expose" efforts to combat the spread of rida and kufr in muslim lands? Trying to bring more people from salafi to deobandi? Or something actually useful to the ummah?

[Cxcvvfbgtr]

last time i checked indian subcontinent wasn't in USA. if you wanted to reach out to american muslims why mention subcontinent? why not say deobandi american people?

it is poor that you are using these sensitive issues to display your hatred for indo subcontinent people for revenge on their criticism of saudi govt.

and many who are criticizing 'save maryam' are from indonesia...which again is not subcontinent.

[DYjLN8rF]

it seems you don't have any constructive ideas for subcontinent people to donate to syria.
i am not surprised.

[Jimambol]

i just told you that you can fund raise in america. in pakistan you should either pressure your government or channel your funds to this charity in america.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/08/0...or-syrian.html

if you read this article properly, america has allowed their citzens to fund raise for rebels now

I know it hurts that you can actually do something effective to help now because when there is nothing we can do to help, we can sit and complain about others, now the opportunity is here, we cant complain because we actually should be doing something ourselves. its easier to complain about others than to do something. lets see how useful those deobandi mosques are now

or will you leave all the fund raising to saudi's and arabs?

[vTLWqa1l]

Brother Abu Fatimah just recently there was a mass fund raising campaign for Syria held in the Masaajid by Ummah Welfare Trust which is Deobandi. If you also have a look at their website you will also see the work they are doing in Syria. They are also currently on the ground in Jordan and Syria providing vital relief. Please have a look.

It is Ramadhaan and I do not wish to enter into polemics with you however I find it very difficult to understand how a level headed Muslim as yourself could become so blinkered with regards to the obvious Puppet status of the Saudi government. Please note I mentioned Saudi government not Arabs in general. This criticism of mine can also be directed to the majority of 'Muslim' governments.

Anyway May Allah Ta'ala accept our ibaadah during this month.

[DiatryDal]

pressurize? you use the term w.o understanding the meaning. the tehrik e taliban pakistan 'pressurized' the govt without attacking them yet it did not yield any results.

ok so we go to the streets to put 'pressure'. how will it raise funds for syria w/o agencies noticing? how will those funds reach syria and into the right hands?

the article is from an unconfirmed source and mentions no any way non-US residents can evade their secular anti-jihad governments and send 'funds' to syria.

you have no idea whatsoever of the politics of the area and what little people can do.

yet you let go of no opportunity to vomit your hatred for indo-pak people whom you accused in a recent thread of following hindu islam. just look at the title of this thread.

[lollypop]

uwt arent raising for weapons they are raising for relief. Im talking about raising money for mujahideen to strike at the heart of the alawite enemy of Allah bashar al munafiq.

Wouldnt you want your money putting a weapon in the hands of a mujahid who is then using that to slay kafir enemies of Allah?

[mnhloot]

uwt arent raising for weapons they are raising for relief. Im talking about raising money for mujahideen to strike at the heart of the alawite enemy of Allah bashar al munafiq.

Wouldnt you want your money putting a weapon in the hands of a mujahid who is then using that to slay kafir enemies of Allah?

how will you raise money for mujahideen whom your governments term as terrorists? even if your article is to be believed it says US and not any other country. as i told you mujahideen are of two types: alq@eda salafis (who want khilafah) and syrian jihadists who may or may not want khilafah but perhaps a shariah govt in syria.
west wants to avoid arming the former. the latter are mixed with secularists. you cannot send along a note along with your 'donation' saying 'only for jihadists not for secularists of FSA'.

[wrbwrbwrb]

Try raising money in the Musaajid for Jihad in the United Kingdon and see the outcome.

Come on brother please stop this. It is unbecoming of you.

[GWRIeEQp]

As for the saudis, i know that all muslim governments have to make some compromises or get replaced with worse leaders, and I believe the saudi government ot be doing more good tan any other muslim nation so if husnal dhann isnt applied to them then I dont think anyone deserves it.

If saudi and turkey and egypt continue to work together on good terms as sunni allies after assad goes inshALlah will you all eat humble pie and start supporting the sunni alliances or will you continue your rabid racism and sectarianism?

In terms of me beign level headed, akhi, all i want is fairness, justice, and pragmatism from my muslim brothers and wallahi we could get ourselves out of this mess very quickly if we did this but people wont and so all i can do is try to get people to see sense. if salafis and sufis dont start working together we're never going to change things. why waste resources on each other ratehr than supporting each other against our real enemies. i thought like people here i would be bitter about turksih progress just because they are sufis. alhamdulillah i dont think like that as victory to islam means more to me than victory to salafis, even if it be a sufi nation who brings more of the gains than the salafi nation. i wish turkey teh very best and feel happy with every achievement they make, sect means nothing to me

[whatisthebluepill]

how will you raise money for mujahideen whom your governments term as terrorists? even if your article is to be believed it says US and not any other country. as i told you mujahideen are of two types: alq@eda salafis (who want khilafah) and syrian jihadists who may or may not want khilafah but perhaps a shariah govt in syria.
west wants to avoid arming the former. the latter are mixed with secularists. you cannot send along a note along with your 'donation' saying 'only for jihadists not for secularists of FSA'.

id rather ikhwanis in power than bashar al assad. al qaeda are harmful and unrealistic. they are violent lunatics

[shenacatro]

id rather ikhwanis in power than bashar al assad. al qaeda are harmful and unrealistic. they are violent lunatics

there are no ikhwanis in syria.
thanks for the slander on alq@eda without knowledge. the mujahideen could cheer up knowing your good deeds made their way to them.

[TritteTouff]

the reasons why deobandis have opened threads here on sf about salafis because it is salafis who have been causing much hostility with in the muslim ummah.
it amazing isn it that every single muslim country on the face of the earth follws a madhab and has been doing so for the past 1000 years but lo and behold salfis are here now, and madhabs are aparently all wrong now, even shirk! amazing isnt it that nobody in the whole muslim ummah for the past 1000 years noticed that madhabs have been wrong but now salfis who are apparently the true followers of the quran and hadith have finally realised it. amazing isnt it.

apparently according to salafis/ahle hadith hazrat imam abu hanifa r.a made an error in asar timing, but amazingly nobody noticed it from albania all the way to china who follow hanfi madhab for the past 1000 years but now u salfis have finally been guided to the true islam and know that hazrat imam abu hanifa r.a made an error. truely amzing isnt it!

its amazing isnt it that sufis have been here long before salafis ever came along, they have been here for 1000 years, they flourished in every single islamic state in islamic history, and are in every single mulim coutry in the world and have been there ever since islam came to these countries and not one islamic state ever declared them heretics, but lo! and behold! salfis are here and they now know the true meanings of the quran and hadith and have finally realised that sufis are misguided invovators. amazing insnt it. amazing not one islamic state, the ottomons, iraqs, uzbek, mali ect... where sufis flourished ever seemed to realise that sufis were people of bidah but the true followers of the quran and hadith- the salfis have finally realsied it. amazing isnt it. i gues all the islamic staes were misguided but now salfis are the true guided people of th ummah. truely amazing

[VanDerSmok]

Brother AbuFatimah, I remind you of the following, your own words less then two days ago:

Salaams

Am planning to take a break from the forum for a bit. Its too hard to stick around with the anti salafi stuff popping up all the time. I find being around this sort of stuff a lot is actually harmful to my imaan

On facebook I get a similar feeling when debating the atheists a lot.

The only peopel my imaan increases with are the muslims who hate sectarianism in all its forms and want to do dawah, campaign and work for islam, spreads pics of ramadhan etc. this is the sort of muslims my imaan increases around. i just dont feel im like minded enough with other peple on this forum and ive realised its best to surround yourself with like minded people. maybe ill be back in the future if there is a beneficial reason to do so but until then, I wish you all ramadhan mubarak and the best of luck in all your endeavours.

assalamu alaykum

So you found it a "beneficial reason" to come on here and start this thread?

Allah al-Musta'an

[pesty4077]

well in the UK they are doing what they can..many masjids are collecting relief money for Syria

in the subcontinent you have to remember the awwam are not loaded like the Saudis and those in the gulf

if Saudi are really helping then may Allah reward them..lets hope they start doing the same with all the Muslim countries and not just those that the US is cool with helping

[Brainpole]

there are no ikhwanis in syria.
thanks for the slander on alq@eda without knowledge. the mujahideen could cheer up knowing your good deeds made their way to them.

al qa'eda arent mujahideen, since when has attacking civilians been jihad?

And yes there are ikhwanis in syria. A lot of ikhwanis. And I hope they gain power in syria inshAllah. We dont need jihadi groups with their little kkhashnikov rifles and roadside bombs, how can you secure an islamic state with such primitive weaponry and how will Allah grant a khilafah to those who kill womena nd children?

Saqfu, how did the salafi get by without madhabs and sufis? According to your logic we should have had teh same attitude towards sufis and madhabis in the 400's hijri.

But no, salafi doesnt = anti madhab or anti sufi, and the majiority of salafis cooperate with sufis and ahsrais and madhabis, peoples attitudes towards salafis here are appalling and te fact taht some other salafis wronged you before doesnt make it right. following a madhab or not wont save somalia from drought or bring syrians victory against bashar al assad so respect each others differences and work on the common good.

abd, so your excused from fundraising because you may find it a bit difficult (Hvae you looked into the implications of fundraising and then sending it to america rather than syria directly?) but saudi, who are threatened with millions of tonnes of megaton bombs if they step out of line shoudl just supposedly "trust in Allah" and get on with it anyway? Whya re you excused but others are not?

Why cant you just work with other muslims and stop criticising everyone al teh time whilst doing nothing contructive to help?

Deobandi is just a school, its just ONE way of getting people nearer to Allah IF they choose you and not salafis or someone else, you have enough followers of deobandi, its not like your short of followers, stop worrying about how ,many muslims are deobandi and worry about how many muslims are dying or apostasizing

reminds me of someone who watches someone else dig a hole and keeps saying " your doing it wrong, do it like so and so", whilst sitting back and not actually doing anything.

Will deobandi mosques in america be fundraising as a nationwide campaign for the rebels? If not, should I keep opening threads about them, criticising them like you guys do or should I accept that not all muslims are perfect and focus on doing good and making dua that Allah help me and you do more good?

[payporanymn]

well in the UK they are doing what they can..many masjids are collecting relief money for Syria

in the subcontinent you have to remember the awwam are not loaded like the Saudis and those in the gulf

if Saudi are really helping then may Allah reward them..lets hope they start doing the same with all the Muslim countries and not just those that the US is cool with helping

Perhaps they can start with helping the Rohingyan Muslims of Burma.

[natahololll]

Brother AbuFatimah, I remind you of the following, your own words less then two days ago:



So you found it a "beneficial reason" to come on here and start this thread?

Allah al-Musta'an

yes I did. im only here for a short time, to show you how deficient many of you are whilst sitting around criticizing others all day. until I see some fund raising for the rebels I consider any deobandi who opens his mouth about other Muslims to be a hypocrite. those of you who take this seriously will accept there are serious problems and think about ways to get funds to the rebels to fight assad with. If even one of you does this then yes inshAllah this will be of great benefit. Additional benefit if you stop moaning about salafis and arabs