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[Qwjyrgij]

Im sorry you are talking like children in an adults world.
The means are there - muslims just dont employ them.
There are a million "good honest truthful" blogs out there from muslims and non-muslims alike. Wheres the system of organising the wheat from the chaff? Means are all there, wheres the efforts?

It takes one day to set up a forum! It takes one day to set up a blog! Means are ALL there!

Even the "so called" concerned muslims have no idea what they are propagating.
Its a symptomatic problem, not the root problem.

The root problem is love of the dunya.
Most users on here would rather withold the truth, than get a ban on the forum, and be out of the clique.

Look at the SF clique - about 20-50 hardcore users acting like the voice of the muslims, with little or no scrutiny. A lot of back patting, for often erroneous views, based on the clique mentality.
Using a VB forum, with ZERO adjustments to the format, using the exact same format as another million forums out there

Type "Sunni Forum" in google. 4th result (above the fold) "deception of Sunni Forum vis a vis taqlid". You are losing people BEFORE they even get here! BUT no concern from regulars on here? More concern about the BBC and CNN? Ludicrous and insane perspective.

Oh there's the token "madhab" selection and token "brother and sister" category and insane, ludicrous no "PM" policy.

Other than that the format is exactly the same as any media corp. And you wander why there is no "media" progress!
The naivity in this thread is distressing.

First casualty of war is the truth. Welcome to the war.
Children playing adult games.

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media in terms of newspapers, websites, tv chanbnels etc are definitely a necessity inshAllah.

We need to get moving on it inshAllah.

Something like al jazeera but without munafiqeen running it

[Candykiss]

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I kind of understand some of your criticism as valid...but I am not sure what you want. Setting up a blog or Forum is easy as you say...it is getting people to visit it in big numbers that is the problem.

[SallyIsNice5]

I kind of understand some of your criticism as valid...but I am not sure what you want. Setting up a blog or Forum is easy as you say...it is getting people to visit it in big numbers that is the problem.

it is not the issue with the platform (the one i put in bold) the issue is with efficient and unbiased news reporting round the clock. then even if your site is shoddy you will get hits. the problem is to go out there with a camera and bring back the goods regularly and for an extended period.
i like how saleem shahzad's asia times online is run.

[exiceJetLip]

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I kind of understand some of your criticism as valid...but I am not sure what you want. Setting up a blog or Forum is easy as you say...it is getting people to visit it in big numbers that is the problem.

No its not a big problem to get many visitors. This is a case of effort and will.

What do i want?

I want people to think critically.

One tiny example: people say "search the forum" you will get your answer.
There is NO criteria for assessing what is truth or falsehood in the forum? So the premise "search the forum" is non sensical.
There is no adjustment within the forum, there is no effort in the forum to differentiate it from the "platform" of choice of the propogandists.
The superficial adjustments are merely tokenistic.
Create forums where there is at least an EFFORT to criteriarise the truth.
Nothing is perfect, nobody is perfect, no system is perfect, but to blindly sheeplike uphold superficial changes and claim "this is a the best you have" is ludicrous.
The things that offer SOME criteria - such as reputation power are conveniently ignored here.
EFFECTIVE criteria could entail rep power for each thread type.
So certain users will have better rep on different subjects. This reflects the reality of life, much more closely than a blanket "no rep" applied herein.
THESE are all available. Further, all available within vb, the platform of choice for SF, but instead its a free for all bed of confusion, posing as "authentic propogation". Disasterous results inevitably ensue.

Contentious issues need criteria too. SF has none. Except the poll - another platform of choice for the propogandist.

[rorsvierwelia]

it is not the issue with the platform (the one i put in bold) the issue is with efficient and unbiased news reporting round the clock. then even if your site is shoddy you will get hits. the problem is to go out there with a camera and bring back the goods regularly and for an extended period.
i like how saleem shahzad's asia times online is run.

This is what i mean by childlike. A photo is NOT truth. The problem isnt PICTURES!. The "goods" are NOT 2D snapshots limited by a lens size and situational convenience. There are NO unbiased major news networks or reporting. The bias will stop once the Order of the World changes. Until the military industrial complex we live within changes, the efficient and unbiased news reporting will ALWAYS be prevalent.

The issue is not the platform per se, but how the platform is operated.

The truth is propogated by independent smaller media outlets and individuals yet this site is replete with BBC, AP, CNN and other news reportage ? Ludicrous.

Why in 10 years of SF there is no list of authentic news outlets, made STICKY on the TOP THREAD?

Adults know why. Children dont know why.

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Adults know why. Children dont know why.

Well then, can you help inform the children?

[ivandiadser]

This is what i mean by childlike. A photo is NOT truth. The problem isnt PICTURES!. The "goods" are NOT 2D snapshots limited by a lens size and situational convenience. There are NO unbiased major news networks or reporting. The bias will stop once the Order of the World changes. Until the military industrial complex we live within changes, the efficient and unbiased news reporting will ALWAYS be prevalent.

The issue is not the platform per se, but how the platform is operated.

The truth is propogated by independent smaller media outlets and individuals yet this site is replete with BBC, AP, CNN and other news reportage ? Ludicrous.

Why in 10 years of SF there is no list of authentic news outlets, made STICKY on the TOP THREAD?

Adults know why. Children dont know why.

you are completely missing the point. also your bringing SF into the discussion is impertinent. if you have any ideas regarding the topic we are discussing and if you can write those ideas down without being condescending and rude then please do so.

[JesikaFlpk]

Well then, can you help inform the children?

Yes please tell us..is it that SF is infantile and has infantile policies and rules? If so I am new here and have found some of its moderation a little too big brother we are the thought police type.

[Ruiptuptubre]

you are completely missing the point. also your bringing SF into the discussion is impertinent. if you have any ideas regarding the topic we are discussing and if you can write those ideas down without being condescending and rude then please do so.

Why would you rather suck up to a faceless, nameless, forum, than tell the truth?

Why in 10 years of SF there is no list of authentic news outlets, made STICKY on the TOP THREAD? Why is there no even attempts to make such. Answer this or please dont ask me anything else. hows THAT for an idea. A practical idea YOU can do. Seeing as you LIVE here, it wouldnt mean catching another bus or anything. Let me guess, you have no interest in ideas that lead to cognitive dissonance about the status quo?

Thats why there is no "muslim" media corporation.

Children think that within the "biased" news they can somehow glean the truths.
Adults know that this is not possible within the traditional press framework.

is it that SF is infantile and has infantile policies and rules The policies and rules serve the interests of the good old divide and conquer apparatus.
It needs major configuring, which IS available, means are available, but conveniently not undertaken.

[Ivanaishere]

I agree why is there no sticky thread speaking about the evils of riba and how we might work towards getting out of it. All kinds of financial frauds have been coming to the surface in the last few years, some threads explaining exactly what is going on and how we must view it through Islamic ways is completely missing here. No effort is made to prioritise important subjects and topics...all are equal here. What should the Muslims be concerned about at this time? Once the personal religious obligations are being fulfilled and major wrong doing being avoided what else should we be doing, how is the world to be viewed...none of this is given here, no alternative news sites, no blogs nothing.

[GitaraMoya]

the purpose of Memritv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4UxdgF6l4

[eskimosik]

i am sure majority of the people would agree that the attitude of the secular media in many countries towards Muslims can at best be called biased.
Islam, its hudood, personal rules, concept of J!had, women rights etc are all misrepresented to a very large extent.
the voice of the religious muslims who defend Islam in writing on public fora such as BBC, tribune (of pakistan) etc is very less. defense of Islam in other forms is always quite minimal (e.g television debates etc). even when given the chance such debates and defense are given meager coverage.

what is even more telling is the biased and sometimes completely false reporting of events occurring in Muslim lands - especially lands which are seeing Muslim J!hadists up against either secular puppet Muslim governments (such as afghanistan) or secular democratic governments (such as pakistan). let us not get into the debate on which country is puppet or not - that is not the point.

the point is that Muslim resistance movements all over the world are portrayed negatively and falsely in the media. and there is no alternative Muslim broadcasting corporation that can go on site, investigate and reveal the truth for a very large audience.. a recent example is that of the taliban shooting video that has been making the rounds. the entire western media and western influenced media were one in their 'condemnation' of it.
there are very obvious flaws in this story and i believe the video was staged and no one was killed. some of the reasons i have outlined here in this thread( if you disagree please do so in that thread).

but who can go to the site and actually investigate this and bring it to the fore? do we have anyone?

and this isnt particular to j!hadis.

every now and then some Muslims are interviewed by the western media and it is made to show as if there is something wrong with the Islam of the Prophet (PBUH) and the first three generations.naudhubillah.

my aim is not to go into detail about the unjust media, it is to seek suggestions and ideas as to how something of the likes of BBC and CNN can be set up that is professional, popular (what i mean is it should have a large audience) ,unbiased and operated by religious practicing Muslims. Importantly it should not take dictations from secular governments.

all i see these days for so-called right-wing media outlets is beneath the surface work with a very small audience. and i do not blame the readership. i saw an online edition of the daily ummat and it had stories of frequent human interactions with jinns. now that reduces your 'authenticity image'.
al-jazeera does not count i am afraid.

the real problem with such newspapers is that majority people do not trust them and so their readership is small. they do not have raunchy photoshoots and scandals of heroines both in their online and print edition. the people trust western media despite having no access to verify the authenticity of any report because so many of them say the same thing and we have been led to believe by our governments that what they say is the truth! this is damaging to Islam as a whole. we are getting slaughtered in the media war and as a result the media has brainwashed many of our numbers. something must be done to counter this.

suggestions please. (from brother usama2 esp)

for this topic.

I am still in the process of formulating a serious business plan for a "Islamic" media company. In the context of a halal business, there is a major market that is not addressed. It is possible for the company to be profitable AND uphold Islamic standards while transmitting news, information, concepts consistent with Islam.

The benefit of a private media company, rather than a nonprofit 'charity' organization, is that it could generate income for its own functions and would not be reliant on and therefore manipulated by donors. And many 'charities' and NGOs function as income and career vehicles for their directors/executives.


I am absolutely against the IDEA of secularism. Secularism serves to remove Islam from the ethical foundation of a company or group and allows for any idea or ideology to arise in its position(eg: nationalism, liberalism).
Here in the GCC, I witness unethical thinking and conduct from Muslims who have incorporated 'secular' logic. It is quite sad to see as one can claim 'religion' and give an outward appearance of it, but conduct and reasoning is secular. And in Muslim logic, removing Islam seems almost always to result in unethical, immoral, even amoral, 'self interest' and even sociopathic conduct.

It is well known in the West that companies CAN become sociopathic in their conduct.

In contrast, Islam was carried to many of the far reaches of the world and to many people by Muslim businessmen.
So having a "Muslim business" is entirely consistent with reality.


As for how it is branded- its public face, name, etc., that is certainly open to discussion.


But I have to agree with the brothers, there are MANY people in the world who no longer trust the media sources they have relied on.
BBC is a government company and it's slant is well known.
Al Jazeera English has embodied secularism to the point that it has nothing to do with Islam, it promotes a liberal agenda and goals, and its director is a disbeliever, even if its owner (s) is a Muslim.
Al Jazeera Arabic was a more subtle approach to secular inclusion, having devils like Wafa Sultan debate various ulama on Islamic topics was Munkar as it granted the devil a voice of equal status to ulama- in the name of secularism, plurality, 'freedom of speech'. an unacceptable expectation.
AJE doesn't even bother to offer a Muslim viewpoint.

Al Arabiya is worse both contexts.
Secularism is a desolate deadend.

There are some examples of 'religious media companies'. CBN, Christian Broadcast Network, has been cited by Muslims for years without them knowing what it is. It was founded by Pat Robertson as an outreach from his 700 Club which was a TV show which he had someone present some current events in a 'news format' and he gave his Christian commentary on it, like gays caused 9/11. RObertson crystalized the 'news format' with CBN "reporters" who reported, and then CBN analysts would offer Christian angles, or American nationalist angles.

There are slight examples of Muslim news companies. Press TV attempted this, but was undermined by its Shia and Iranian affiliations.

Democracy Now/Link TV represents the far left liberal nonmainstream media company.

Huda TV doesn't take the matter of reporting news current events, analysis, transmitting vital daily information for a Muslim and Truth seeking audience as part of its format. It is also restricted as depending on donations, rather than as a self sustaining business.

Bridges.TV, the first Muslim TV programming channel in America had a certain model. It apparently was similar to Huda TV, but more for broadcasting programming to nonMuslims about Islam. The terrible tragedy of its

These are some variations which can be studied further. I myself am trying to put more thought into it when I can.
I'm not saying Muslims should follow any single model example in terms of an Islamic media company. But to enter into the world media industry, a Muslim company can uphold Islamic standards and present 'OBJECTIVE' reporting.

By having BOTH of these attributes: Islam and objectivity, it would naturally help viewers to connect Islam to the Truth.

[AbeldeldepBug]

for this topic.

I am still in the process of formulating a serious business plan for a "Islamic" media company. In the context of a halal business, there is a major market that is not addressed. It is possible for the company to be profitable AND uphold Islamic standards while transmitting news, information, concepts consistent with Islam.

The benefit of a private media company, rather than a nonprofit 'charity' organization, is that it could generate income for its own functions and would not be reliant on and therefore manipulated by donors. And many 'charities' and NGOs function as income and career vehicles for their directors/executives.


I am absolutely against the IDEA of secularism. Secularism serves to remove Islam from the ethical foundation of a company or group and allows for any idea or ideology to arise in its position(eg: nationalism, liberalism).
Here in the GCC, I witness unethical thinking and conduct from Muslims who have incorporated 'secular' logic. It is quite sad to see as one can claim 'religion' and give an outward appearance of it, but conduct and reasoning is secular. And in Muslim logic, removing Islam seems almost always to result in unethical, immoral, even amoral, 'self interest' and even sociopathic conduct.

It is well known in the West that companies CAN become sociopathic in their conduct.

In contrast, Islam was carried to many of the far reaches of the world and to many people by Muslim businessmen.
So having a "Muslim business" is entirely consistent with reality.


As for how it is branded- its public face, name, etc., that is certainly open to discussion.


But I have to agree with the brothers, there are MANY people in the world who no longer trust the media sources they have relied on.
BBC is a government company and it's slant is well known.
Al Jazeera English has embodied secularism to the point that it has nothing to do with Islam, it promotes a liberal agenda and goals, and its director is a disbeliever, even if its owner (s) is a Muslim.
Al Jazeera Arabic was a more subtle approach to secular inclusion, having devils like Wafa Sultan debate various ulama on Islamic topics was Munkar as it granted the devil a voice of equal status to ulama- in the name of secularism, plurality, 'freedom of speech'. an unacceptable expectation.
AJE doesn't even bother to offer a Muslim viewpoint.

Al Arabiya is worse both contexts.
Secularism is a desolate deadend.

There are some examples of 'religious media companies'. CBN, Christian Broadcast Network, has been cited by Muslims for years without them knowing what it is. It was founded by Pat Robertson as an outreach from his 700 Club which was a TV show which he had someone present some current events in a 'news format' and he gave his Christian commentary on it, like gays caused 9/11. RObertson crystalized the 'news format' with CBN "reporters" who reported, and then CBN analysts would offer Christian angles, or American nationalist angles.

There are slight examples of Muslim news companies. Press TV attempted this, but was undermined by its Shia and Iranian affiliations.

Democracy Now/Link TV represents the far left liberal nonmainstream media company.

Huda TV doesn't take the matter of reporting news current events, analysis, transmitting vital daily information for a Muslim and Truth seeking audience as part of its format. It is also restricted as depending on donations, rather than as a self sustaining business.

Bridges.TV, the first Muslim TV programming channel in America had a certain model. It apparently was similar to Huda TV, but more for broadcasting programming to nonMuslims about Islam. The terrible tragedy of its

These are some variations which can be studied further. I myself am trying to put more thought into it when I can.
I'm not saying Muslims should follow any single model example in terms of an Islamic media company. But to enter into the world media industry, a Muslim company can uphold Islamic standards and present 'OBJECTIVE' reporting.

By having BOTH of these attributes: Islam and objectivity, it would naturally help viewers to connect Islam to the Truth.

that's a great idea brother.

It would be nice to have a station based on such lines with a channel in Arabic, one in English, one in Urdu, (also possibly one in French and one in Malay) then it could reach a large proportion of the Muslims.

what do you think of the London based Islam Channel? it covers news, although I have noticed that it often does so from basically the same perspective as the mainstream media - even when it is wrong, sometimes completely failing to describe things strongly or from an Islamic perspective.

[MilenaMKB]

for this topic.

I am still in the process of formulating a serious business plan for a "Islamic" media company. In the context of a halal business, there is a major market that is not addressed. It is possible for the company to be profitable AND uphold Islamic standards while transmitting news, information, concepts consistent with Islam.

The benefit of a private media company, rather than a nonprofit 'charity' organization, is that it could generate income for its own functions and would not be reliant on and therefore manipulated by donors. And many 'charities' and NGOs function as income and career vehicles for their directors/executives.


I am absolutely against the IDEA of secularism. Secularism serves to remove Islam from the ethical foundation of a company or group and allows for any idea or ideology to arise in its position(eg: nationalism, liberalism).
Here in the GCC, I witness unethical thinking and conduct from Muslims who have incorporated 'secular' logic. It is quite sad to see as one can claim 'religion' and give an outward appearance of it, but conduct and reasoning is secular. And in Muslim logic, removing Islam seems almost always to result in unethical, immoral, even amoral, 'self interest' and even sociopathic conduct.

It is well known in the West that companies CAN become sociopathic in their conduct.

In contrast, Islam was carried to many of the far reaches of the world and to many people by Muslim businessmen.
So having a "Muslim business" is entirely consistent with reality.


As for how it is branded- its public face, name, etc., that is certainly open to discussion.


But I have to agree with the brothers, there are MANY people in the world who no longer trust the media sources they have relied on.
BBC is a government company and it's slant is well known.
Al Jazeera English has embodied secularism to the point that it has nothing to do with Islam, it promotes a liberal agenda and goals, and its director is a disbeliever, even if its owner (s) is a Muslim.
Al Jazeera Arabic was a more subtle approach to secular inclusion, having devils like Wafa Sultan debate various ulama on Islamic topics was Munkar as it granted the devil a voice of equal status to ulama- in the name of secularism, plurality, 'freedom of speech'. an unacceptable expectation.
AJE doesn't even bother to offer a Muslim viewpoint.

Al Arabiya is worse both contexts.
Secularism is a desolate deadend.

There are some examples of 'religious media companies'. CBN, Christian Broadcast Network, has been cited by Muslims for years without them knowing what it is. It was founded by Pat Robertson as an outreach from his 700 Club which was a TV show which he had someone present some current events in a 'news format' and he gave his Christian commentary on it, like gays caused 9/11. RObertson crystalized the 'news format' with CBN "reporters" who reported, and then CBN analysts would offer Christian angles, or American nationalist angles.

There are slight examples of Muslim news companies. Press TV attempted this, but was undermined by its Shia and Iranian affiliations.

Democracy Now/Link TV represents the far left liberal nonmainstream media company.

Huda TV doesn't take the matter of reporting news current events, analysis, transmitting vital daily information for a Muslim and Truth seeking audience as part of its format. It is also restricted as depending on donations, rather than as a self sustaining business.

Bridges.TV, the first Muslim TV programming channel in America had a certain model. It apparently was similar to Huda TV, but more for broadcasting programming to nonMuslims about Islam. The terrible tragedy of its

These are some variations which can be studied further. I myself am trying to put more thought into it when I can.
I'm not saying Muslims should follow any single model example in terms of an Islamic media company. But to enter into the world media industry, a Muslim company can uphold Islamic standards and present 'OBJECTIVE' reporting.

By having BOTH of these attributes: Islam and objectivity, it would naturally help viewers to connect Islam to the Truth.

Brother, there are private, independant, single owned, produced and directed Youtube channels with larger audiences than some news corporations with global satellites and anchors and sophisticated studios and cameras.

THE means are here, the process is here, you dont need to reinvent the wheel, thanks to the tinternet - its just some peandus are just too uncritical in the modern age, while the Quran says 750 times to use your intellect and reason? What book are these village idiots reading?

Is it that they are just intoxicated by the slick looking female anchors, hence associate "News" only with flashy lights and fashionista presentation?

I think you should not delay in process nor formulation, use the "free" web as your platform, use free vid editing software and free social media, use free volunteers and start.

[oneliRafmeene]

Worth noting that the traditional mass media outlets like Television, Newspapers and Magazines are losing demand, many people get their news online, Russian Times (or RT), gives some good information on world events, not always right or accurate but at least it is different. see this as an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJu0X14vmg
Only 3 minutes long a different reason for the western government intervention in Gadaffi ruled Libiya.

[Seisyvose]

this is a thread to discuss ideas and not to spew venom about personal issues. brother Sequalizer if you cannot control your tone i will ask you to kindly stop posting on this thread. if you do not i will report you and then make your life very difficult on this forum which would either get me banned or you. i am sure you do not want that so kindly behave like an adult.

coming back to the topic. for an internet based project let us discuss logistics and human resources:

- how does one attract volunteers willing to report for extended periods from sensitive areas around their parent country and also neighboring countries?
- how to advertise for a team that would engage in exclusive tasks such as reporting, editing, publishing, writing, interviewing, advertising etc?
- how does one arrange funds for the equipment? nobody would ever trust shoddy mobile films.
- how long can one work with volunteers? surely there must be a time when one has to hire people esp on extended projects?
- how does one arrange funds for hiring employees?
- how does one prevent running aloof of security forces or intelligence that does not wish for some news to get out?

kindly reply only if you have practical answers or prior experience to working on a volunteer-based project.

[i have extensive 7-month experience of founding, organizing and leading a small franchise at my university in my undergrad days so i know pretty much how to handle and organize teams and advertise ideas. but this is a much much greater challenge for which i request some respectful discussion]

[fotodemujerahldesnugdo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJu0X14vmg
Only 3 minutes long a different reason for the western government intervention in Gadaffi ruled Libiya.

i always thought this was the most accurate reason rather than a different reason : D

[mirex]

Here is a very concrete reason why there needs to be a Muslim mainstream channel

look how cleverly they have presented support for the liberal and qadiani cause in pakistan and insulted ulema and islam. read the entire piece carefully

(warning: pictures of women)