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Old 01-29-2010, 07:02 AM   #1
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I have read some hadith which state that angels do not enter houses where there dogs and pictures. I was under the assumption that what this meant was drawn pictures, but does this mean pictures taking with a camera or digital camera?
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:55 AM   #2
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Bsimillahr Rahmanir Rahim

Salam alaikum

The stronger ruling on this matter is that the pictures that the Prophet (saaw) mentioned as haram: pictures of humans and animals; are not the same as modern photography.

Photography is the reflection of light on a subject which is captured on a mirror within the camera and then onto film. Digital photograpyh is the reflection of light from a subject captured by digital sensors, charged coupled device CCDs or axel/pixel device CMOs. These sensors store the reflection either as raw data or in memory storage rather than film.

The pictures which the Prophet (saaw) described referred to those which are done by artists and artisans of humans, animals. Artists and artisans go through a mental process which is recognized recognize as an attempt at 'creation'- audhubillah. And this is a different process than photography.

And Allah knows best.
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:36 AM   #3
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Bsimillahr Rahmanir Rahim

Salam alaikum

The stronger ruling on this matter is that the pictures that the Prophet (saaw) mentioned as haram: pictures of humans and animals; are not the same as modern photography.

Photography is the reflection of light on a subject which is captured on a mirror within the camera and then onto film. Digital photograpyh is the reflection of light from a subject captured by digital sensors, charged coupled device CCDs or axel/pixel device CMOs. These sensors store the reflection either as raw data or in memory storage rather than film.

The pictures which the Prophet (saaw) described referred to those which are done by artists and artisans of humans, animals. Artists and artisans go through a mental process which is recognized recognize as an attempt at 'creation'- audhubillah. And this is a different process than photography.

And Allah knows best.
Assalamu aliakum

Many ulema said digital photography is permissible. I am not here to argue that. But I have a challenge for you for normal photoraphy brother.

Most of the pictures of today are printed pictures. These printed pictures are made by ink on paper - there is no issue of reflection whatsoever. Is this not exactly the same as what is prohibited? How do your ulema justify it.

Mufti Taqi Usmani saheb has ruled that all pictures on hard material like paper or photographs are not permitted. This is the strongest opinion on the matter.
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:27 PM   #4
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Mufti Taqi Usmani saheb has ruled that all pictures on hard material like paper or photographs are not permitted. This is the strongest opinion on the matter.
In which book he said so, can you please provide a reference (not that I demand a proof, but to have this benefical knowledge recorded in my notes).

Jazakumullahu khairan
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:24 PM   #5
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In which book he said so, can you please provide a reference (not that I demand a proof, but to have this benefical knowledge recorded in my notes).

Jazakumullahu khairan
Assalamu aliakum,

I believe this is in Contemporary Fatawa if I am not mistaken.
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:52 PM   #6
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Assalamu aliakum

Many ulema said digital photography is permissible. I am not here to argue that. But I have a challenge for you for normal photoraphy brother.

Most of the pictures of today are printed pictures. These printed pictures are made by ink on paper - there is no issue of reflection whatsoever. Is this not exactly the same as what is prohibited? How do your ulema justify it.

Mufti Taqi Usmani saheb has ruled that all pictures on hard material like paper or photographs are not permitted. This is the strongest opinion on the matter.


Yes, even if we wanna consider the "how it's produced" (and here we could agree that the process is automatical and not an "artistic attempt") as did by Sidi Usama2, there is also another aspect, that of the final result we get in our hands.

So, there isn't just the aspect of "creating an image" (about which I may even agree with Sidi Usama2), but there is also the aspect of the result of the print, which is an image, and so I can easily see the reasons of its prohibition.

Different issue for digital photography, as you have mentioned.



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Old 01-29-2010, 03:04 PM   #7
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Yes, even if we wanna consider the "how it's produced" (and here we could agree that the process is automatical and not an "artistic attempt") as did by Sidi Usama2, there is also another aspect, that of the final result we get in our hands.

So, there isn't just the aspect of "creating an image" (about which I may even agree with Sidi Usama2), but there is also the aspect of the result of the print, which is an image, and so I can easily see the reasons of its prohibition.

Different issue for digital photography, as you have mentioned.



Assalamu aliakum,

People always say picture is a reflection. They get this misconception because of a fatwa by Shaykh Muhammad Bakhit al-Muti'i of Egypt as referred to by Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam here: http://www.daruliftaa.com/question.a...nID=q-16155977

He was from the early 1900s and we have to understand what photoraphy was then to undrestand what he is saying. At his time photoraphs were created as direct result of sunlight reflecting off objects and falling on a photogrpahic film. Mufti Taqi Usmani will be against this photography as well but I can see why he is saying it is a reflection. You can read more about early photography easily on Wikipedia.

But in current times most of the pictures in books, newspapers, and flyers are printed by ink and printer/cartridge just like a brush would paint by brush and paint. It is not a reflectoion. I have no idea how ulema claim reflection for printed material. Printed material have nothing to do with even what Shaykh Muhammad Bakhit al-Muti'i was talking about.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:16 PM   #8
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Asslaamu aliakum,

Mufti Muhammad bin Adam who did Iftaa with Mufti Taqi Usmani is of the opinion that digital photography is allowed. I asked him if he would allow hanging digital photos on the wall on digital photo frames and TV screens/monitors instead of photographs. He replied that he would not allow it.

I will ask him more questions inshaAllah regarding this topic in the near future regarding to what extent digital photography is permitted because as his answer clearly shows he permits it only with restriction.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:16 PM   #9
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Assalamu aliakum,

People always say picture is a reflection. They get this misconception because of a fatwa by Shaykh Muhammad Bakhit al-Muti'i of Egypt as referred to by Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam here: http://www.daruliftaa.com/question.a...nID=q-16155977

He was from the early 1900s and we have to understand what photoraphy was then to undrestand what he is saying. At his time photoraphs were created as direct result of sunlight reflecting off objects and falling on a photogrpahic film. Mufti Taqi Usmani will be against this photography as well but I can see why he is saying it is a reflection. You can read more about early photography easily on Wikipedia.

But in current times most of the pictures in books, newspapers, and flyers are printed by ink and printer/cartridge just like a brush would paint by brush and paint. It is not a reflectoion. I have no idea how ulema claim reflection for printed material. Printed material have nothing to do with even what Shaykh Muhammad Bakhit al-Muti'i was talking about.


Let's distinguish between taking a picture in itself (which is by a sort of reflection on the film if using a non-digital camera), and printing the picture out.
If even catching an image would be allowed (since there isn't an artistic attempt, and so on..), the result will however be prohibited because it is an image (i.e.: the print..)!

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Old 01-29-2010, 03:17 PM   #10
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Let's distinguish between taking a picture in itself (which is by a sort of reflection on the film if using a non-digital camera), and printing the picture out.
If even catching an image would be allowed (since there isn't an artistic attempt, and so on..), the result will however be prohibited because it is an image (i.e.: the print..)!


good point brother.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:23 PM   #11
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Asslaamu aliakum,

Mufti Muhammad bin Adam who did Iftaa with Mufti Taqi Usmani is of the opinion that digital photography is allowed. I asked him if he would allow hanging digital photos on the wall on digital photo frames and TV screens/monitors instead of photographs. He replied that he would not allow it.

I will ask him more questions inshaAllah regarding this topic in the near future regarding to what extent digital photography is permitted because as his answer clearly shows he permits it only with restriction.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:27 PM   #12
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My understanding is that they permit it as far as it's kept in the pc and not printed out on any permanent material (as mentioned in Mufti Taqi Usmani's fatwa). I find this position as the more "reasonable" but I'm NO ONE to judge.

And Allah SWT knows best.

Hanging on the wall on a digital screen is also keeping it digital. In their answers they never said it must be only on PC because they permit it on TV as well. But Mufti Muhammad said he would not permit hanging it on walls even if it is digital.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:28 PM   #13
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Hanging on the wall on a digital screen is also keeping it digital. In their answers they never said it must be only on PC because they permit it on TV as well. But Mufti Muhammad said he would not permit hanging it on walls even if it is digital.


Note for myself: read with attention before replying and posting! Another editing for umar.. ;-)
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:05 AM   #14
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Hanging on the wall on a digital screen is also keeping it digital. In their answers they never said it must be only on PC because they permit it on TV as well. But Mufti Muhammad said he would not permit hanging it on walls even if it is digital.
As you seem to be in personal contact with Mufti Ibn Adam, could you just clarify with him and ask him if the following is permissible:

a) I take pictures of my family with a digital camera but never print it, but I save them in the form of digital memory.
b) I take a video of when my son becomes a hafidh.

JazakAllah
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Old 01-31-2010, 01:42 AM   #15
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As you seem to be in personal contact with Mufti Ibn Adam, could you just clarify with him and ask him if the following is permissible:

a) I take pictures of my family with a digital camera but never print it, but I save them in the form of digital memory.
b) I take a video of when my son becomes a hafidh.

JazakAllah
Assalamu aliakum

I do not have regular personal contact with him. I asked him once when I met him. I do not know what are his restrictions on using digital photography but as his answer clearly showed he does have restrictions. InshaAllah I will ask him these questions if I see him again which is hopefully in a couple of weeks.
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Old 01-31-2010, 02:53 AM   #16
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There is certainly nothing wrong with the second.
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:38 AM   #17
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I heard in tableeghi ijtamah that new fatwa of Mufti Taqi Usmani is against digital photographs, can anyone give me details?
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:51 AM   #18
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I asked the same thing and Maulana Saad (Chicago) said that "If one earns or if one needs to use a photo for very important purposes, such as passport pictures, then it is allowed. Other wise, it is strictly forbidden because on the day of judgement, Allah will ask us to give life to our drawings, sketches and pictures.

Maulana Saad even said that " we should not keep pictures in our homes because the tableegi jinn jamaats come and stay at home and when they see these pictures, they curse that home and never come back. Similarly with Angels. "

By the way, it is not polite to 'quote' a scholar unless you have their permission. I don't have the permission to give 'advice' or solve problems, but I did get the permission to quote this very sentence

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Old 10-30-2011, 11:19 AM   #19
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Assalamu alaikum !!

We all do know that drawing (painting) is haram . But do you know why ?? ..it's because our prophet SAW was scared that people would draw his face . "but what's wrong with this ??" you might ask. He dint allow people to draw his face because he was afraid that the people would start to hang his pic in their house and start to worship it ( the pic of SAW).... (So, what we can say from this is that painting is haram if it is going to the wall for display).You might ask , "so printing the photos is also some how painting right?"... Yes .Yes it is. But as i said before, you shouldn't display them. You should also know what kind of photo to take ( you know what i mean right ?)
If you can controll your self from doing this things, photography is Halal. P.S THERE ARE CHANCES FOR MY ANSWER TO BE WRONG.
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:22 AM   #20
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Bsimillahr Rahmanir Rahim

Salam alaikum

The stronger ruling on this matter is that the pictures that the Prophet (saaw) mentioned as haram: pictures of humans and animals; are not the same as modern photography.

Photography is the reflection of light on a subject which is captured on a mirror within the camera and then onto film. Digital photograpyh is the reflection of light from a subject captured by digital sensors, charged coupled device CCDs or axel/pixel device CMOs. These sensors store the reflection either as raw data or in memory storage rather than film.

The pictures which the Prophet (saaw) described referred to those which are done by artists and artisans of humans, animals. Artists and artisans go through a mental process which is recognized recognize as an attempt at 'creation'- audhubillah. And this is a different process than photography.

And Allah knows best.
Most of today's pictures which are printed with ink on paper do not fall under the above definition. If you are taking pictures with polaroid cameras then maybe. But most pictures again are not in the defnition of "reflection"

And even then that is not the stronger opinion.
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