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salaam alaikam a diffrent way to do dawah see picutres of mohamad ali aerosl arabic work on bbc web site

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8010684.stm

salaam alaikam a diffrent way to do dawah see picutres of mohamad ali aerosl arabic work on bbc web site

Masha'Allah what a unique concept.

[bestworkother]

I'm sorry but I think it is a really stupid idea to put up ayaat from the Qur'an on a wall on the outside of a building, especially if it's the Arabic script. It will inevitably get dirt and filth on it, not to mention the possibility of people disrespecting it in any number of ways.

In addition, I really hope he at least owns those walls or had permission from the owner to spray paint them.

[Vjwkvkoy]

I'm sorry but I think it is a really stupid idea to put up ayaat from the Qur'an on a wall on the outside of a building, especially if it's the Arabic script. It will inevitably get dirt and filth on it, not to mention the possibility of people disrespecting it in any number of ways.

In addition, I really hope he at least owns those walls or had permission from the owner to spray paint them.

"if art is a crime, then may Allah forgive me."

[nermise]

Absolute disgrace. May Allah save us from disrespecting the ayaat of the quran in such a way and give us the tawfiq to give the ayaat of the quran total respect.

[MicoSiru]

Absolute disgrace. May Allah save us from disrespecting the ayaat of the quran in such a way and give us the tawfiq to give the ayaat of the quran total respect.


Do you have any Fatwa to put forward your claim? What do you think about Quranic texts hanging in front of shops? Or in the cars or on windows (like it is famous in India en Pakistan? Or Islamic books which non-Muslims have stocked in their library?

[Wavgbtif]

Do you have any Fatwa to put forward your claim? What do you think about Quranic texts hanging in front of shops? Or in the cars or on windows (like it is famous in India en Pakistan? Or Islamic books which non-Muslims have stocked in their library?

1) Where did I say I agreed with all these placards in shops or houses? More often than not they are disrespected e.g watching tv in rooms where they are put. However, im not saying its haram.

2) Clearly stocking books in libraries is different to Painting an ayat of the quran on a wall, and painting knows as 'grafiti' which associated with kuffar. Hence, do not merge the two in one. Please dont even bother over arguing this point.

Grafiti is not asscociated with Islam, we follow the way of the Ambiya in giving dawah and not painting an ayat of quran on the wall. Clearly if the value and respect of the quran is not in ones heart than well I have nothing to say accept Allah is the best of judges. I for one would not want grafiti on the wall of my house so why put ayat of the quran using this grafiti nonsense?.

Astagfirullah

و بالله التوفيق

[KukkoDrukko]

regarding putting ayats on walls in the streets, near televisions etc being wrong is a fair point and i think we definately need some guidance on this from the ulama....

but as for doing calligraphy in the style of graffitti, how can that be not allowed?? muslims come from all over the world and depending on where they live, what era they live in and their culture, they all have different concepts of art.

[BrandandGeneric]

show me evidence from the quran sunnah the sahaba tabieen tabi tabi een that this is wrong

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

I don't think there should be anything wrong with something like 'Eid Mubarak' etc, but I'd be a little cautious with ayaat of the Quran because of the disrespect that could happen. I'm not talking about rain or dirt, but about people disrespecting it.

As for the style the work is in, I don't actually see something wrong with that like brother xs11as mentioned, everyone has a different style that they like. I personally thought it looked nifty..

[Effopsytupt]

i do wildstyle graffitti if anyone is interested

[DumErrory]

show me evidence from the quran sunnah the sahaba tabieen tabi tabi een that this is wrong

To the contrary, you need show that the salaf used 'grafiti' for dawah, infact prove that the ambiya used it.

Using grafiti for writing ayaat of the quran is disgraceful. Simple as that.

[strollerssfsfs]

I don't know, of course it looks very neat. But I think we shouldn't ignore 2 points:

1) Walls get easily disrespected, there's no question about it. So, in my opinion Allah's name or Qur'an Ayahs wouldn't be a good idea. Things like "Free Gaza" and so on is a far better idea. 2) Does Graffiti get considered as imitating unbelievers? Is Graffiti considered a culture of the unbelievers? I don't know, you tell me!

Anyway... da bro' got mad skillz!

[twiffatticy]

To the contrary, you need show that the salaf used 'grafiti' for dawah, infact prove that the ambiya used it.

Using grafiti for writing ayaat of the quran is disgraceful. Simple as that.

Bro, I don't think so. I think this comes under the category of things that are all Halal until proven otherwise. What do you think of the Qur'an being written in all kinds of different styles throughout the centuries.

But I do think, doing it on a wall would be a terrible mistake if dirt gets on it and if it is for public use where people can of course disrespect it.

[Lipitorseffec]

interesting, thats totally better adverts than the rest of those cladded on the gigantic billboards in town. he got 'mad skillz' and it is from Allah, so if he's using it for good sake to invite towards Allah then Alhamdulillah. of course nothing should supersede the way of Rasulullah and the salaf.

[jagxj12]

2) Does Graffiti get considered as imitating unbelievers? Is Graffiti considered a culture of the unbelievers? I don't know, you tell me!

Well I'm not sure as to the second question. Like when I went to Pakistan, they had Allah etc written on walls (obviously not like the style show, but still it was on the walls) and also I've seen many times written "Namaz parho is se pehle ke tumhari namaz parhi jaye" (Perform salah before salah is performed upon you (ie janaza salah). So having Islamic messages written on walls is not really a new thing. In South Africa, the whole wall of the IPCI (Ahmed Deedat's building) has written upon it "Read Al-Quran, The Last Testament of God" smack in the middle of Durban's downtown. How far will we go though? Will we consider billboards as imitating unbelievers?

Anyways, I have sent the question of the usage of graffiti for dawah and its hillat to askimam.org. I'll get an answer soon I hope.

[DzjwMKo5]

Well I'm not sure as to the second question. Like when I went to Pakistan, they had Allah etc written on walls (obviously not like the style show, but still it was on the walls) and also I've seen many times written "Namaz parho is se pehle ke tumhari namaz parhi jaye" (Perform salah before salah is performed upon you (ie janaza salah). So having Islamic messages written on walls is not really a new thing. In South Africa, the whole wall of the IPCI (Ahmed Deedat's building) has written upon it "Read Al-Quran, The Last Testament of God" smack in the middle of Durban's downtown. How far will we go though? Will we consider billboards as imitating unbelievers?

I wouldn't consider these as Graffiti. I always connect Graffiti with the culture of Hip-Hop which is certainly a culture of unbelievers.

Anyways, I have sent the question of the usage of graffiti for dawah and its hillat to askimam.org. I'll get an answer soon I hope.

this will be the best!

[TeemFilla]

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Bro, I don't think so. I think this comes under the category of things that are all Halal until proven otherwise. What do you think of the Qur'an being written in all kinds of different styles throughout the centuries.

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1) Interesting statatement you make, quotes from our illusturious fuqaha would be appreciated. Hence, you are saying that if there is meat infront of me which I am not certain about than I can eat it on the basis you state?.

2) As for different styles of writing quran and grafiti, dont you think its ibvious that there is a major difference between them? It seems obvious to me, however, just to clarify

- Grafiti is well known as a kuffaric concept
- it is related to the immoral concept of hiphop

[dXI9XFOA]

1) Interesting statatement you make, quotes from our illusturious fuqaha would be appreciated. Hence, you are saying that if there is meat infront of me which I am not certain about than I can eat it on the basis you state?.

I do not know the position on this and will await mufti saheb;s view about it but for discussion sake..

The usool I learnt from Mufti Ebrahim Saheb is "Al Aslu fi Ashyaa' Alibaha Illa fil Lahm"

The discussion can be found in Nurul Anwar in which the comparison is made with Imam Shafii r.a whose usool is oposite that Aslu fi ashyaa' hurmah. But I will check this again.. perhaps I am mistaken

2) As for different styles of writing quran and grafiti, dont you think its ibvious that there is a major difference between them? It seems obvious to me, however, just to clarify

- Grafiti is well known as a kuffaric concept Would that not be dependent on the urf of the place you are in. If the brother is in an area now where it is no longer attributed to kuffar rather a form of "art" as its definition also suggest, then how will it be restricted to the culture of kuffar.

The example sudoku gave was billboards, which are ALSO used for similar concept and are a salient feature of the corporate culture. In that we have accepted umoomul bulwa, then why can we not accept in this case?

- it is related to the immoral concept of hiphop

Again, it will first depend on the urf of the place. Graffiti is used in many places as a form of psychiatric treatment to supress violent tendencies, initiate expressive behaviour for the mentally depressed etc. This is just like doodling in you notebook.

Yes a primary reason of graffiti being notorious is that initially it was attributed to hip hop and also illegal. However, is that still the case?

@True Life

Why would you not consider it graffiti? If someone in Pakistan did draw a graffiti on his wall, would we not consider it graffiti simply because Pakistan does not have a hip hop culture?

Also if writing statements on the wall is not considered graffiti, then graffiti is only that which attaches to the hip hop culture. And by that token what the brother is doing in the link is not graffiti. I think it would be better to first lay down the definition of graffiti. We wont understand thing based on our own thinkings etc.

What is the legal definition of graffiti? Can anyone please post it and lets see if ALL forms of graffiti will be impermissible and whether what the brother is doing actually falls under the definition as well or not.? If i remember correctly, anything drawn, scratched out onto a wall is graffiti.

[Bbjhjxfy]

To the contrary, you need show that the salaf used 'grafiti' for dawah, infact prove that the ambiya used it.

Using grafiti for writing ayaat of the quran is disgraceful. Simple as that.

What kind of argument is this? Do tell us from which scholar you have got these opinions from, or are you performing ijtihad from yourself?

Will you also question and ask for dalil for the use of Photoshop (made by the kuffaar!) to design flyers for religious events? The use of software to make Islamic symbols so we can print religious books? The use of microphones?