[PaulCameron]

there are colleges in pakistan that are gender segregated. dont think there are any such universities. if there are i never heard of them

Fatima Jinnah Women University in Pindi, and fatima jinnah medical college in lahore is the only ladies only medical college I think, at least in Punjab

[tussinelde]

Sister are you sure you want to be a doctor. Coz you will have to study stuff like these:
"The negative charge of a nondiffusible anion hinders diffusion of the diffusible cations and favors diffusion of the diffusible anions."
This is just a sample from Physiology, which is a first year subject.

But if you are game for it, no problem I guess. May Allah grant you the best career for you and barakah in it. ameen.

yes I really want to and I know its not a game to be a Dr. But I have joined a madrrassa- a 40 days course. I can't express in words how graceful, sweet and lovable sisters are they. Not some all are like that. I have hardly seen some in my educational career till now like them. Just three days I spent with a sister who is a fresh alima. she is dear to me than my childhood friend. The thing which has wondered me, is their education. They haven't studied at all. They asks me, 40 days are not sufficient its just to make you thirsty. My goals are totally change. I want the same Imaan like them. Thats why I want to know about ruling of female education in Islam. This desire of Higher education of mine is something social or ritual it seems to me now.. I dont know.

ameen.

[beatrisio]

This desire of Higher education of mine is something social or ritual it seems to me now.. I dont know.

ameen.

Yea formal studies is like a social thing nowadays, its for namesake, not always useful. On the other hand, Deeni education is much much more rewarding, both in this Dunya and Akhirah. If you are in a position to make a decision then go for it sister. Be an alima . There are two instances when Envy(in a good way) is allowed in Islam, one of the person who spends in the path of Allah and other is towards the person who learns the Ilm and teaches it to others. So imagine the high status it is in front of Allah the Almighty. May Allah make it easy for you. ameen.

The Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said, “Envy is permitted only in two cases: Of a man whom Allah gives wealth, and he disposes of it rightfully, and of a man whom Allah gives knowledge, and he applies and teaches it.” [Bukhari]

[6M8PJigS]

Yea formal studies is like a social thing nowadays, its for namesake, not always useful. On the other hand, Deeni education is much much more rewarding, both in this Dunya and Akhirah. If you are in a position to make a decision then go for it sister. Be an alima .

there are some questions, if you or any other member can answer inshaallah.

According to what I hear everywhere, Female education is essential in sense that she will have a degree and a degree in real sense. God forbid if in future she need to earn, she can take it back 0f shelve.
what about it, if she hasn't any degree and she need to earn money for her family?
Other is, when all brother and sisters are well educated in your your family and you quit it right in beginning. you will not be able to participate in their talk and bla blaa They will look down at you as if you are not competent or out dated.

[Anteneprorid]

there are some questions, if you or any other member can answer inshaallah.

According to what I hear everywhere, Female education is essential in sense that she will have a degree and a degree in real sense. God forbid if in future she need to earn, she can take it back 0f shelve.
what about it if she hasn't any degree and she need to earn money for her family?
Other is, when all brother and sisters are well educated in your your family and you quit it right in beginning. you will not be able to participate in their talk and bla blaa They will look down at you as if you are not competent or out dated.

Yes it would be nice if you have degree, a bachelors degree as you mentioned earlier. You don't have to quit the formal studies altogather. But if you are going for medicine, then it would be very difficult for you to pursue both medicine and deeni studies together. Because medical college is pretty engaging in itself. But some people can balance both if Allah wills.

On the other hand if you take any other less difficult degree you will be easily able to concentrate on being an alima.

P.s. Sister perhaps do Salatul Istikhara for guidance.

[ENCOSEARRALIA]

Fatima Jinnah Women University in Pindi, and fatima jinnah medical college in lahore is the only ladies only medical college I think, at least in Punjab

brother I can't mention but if i am asking here, it means I am certain about the college that I will enter into, near my location.

[HcMkOKiz]

According to what I hear everywhere, Female education is essential in sense that she will have a degree and a degree in real sense. God forbid if in future she need to earn, she can take it back 0f shelve.
what about it, if she hasn't any degree and she need to earn money for her family?

An additional question to the above is when she earns a degree she would need to join some organization for the sake of gaining experience (even if not for long) because if Allah forbid she needs to earn in future she would not be able to secure a job based on that education due to lack of any experience. Time gap could be another hindrance for the same.

This is a bit of diversion from learning to earning but I would like to see the knowledgeable brothers & sisters reply to this as well, as it is related.

[chodeasyday]

Yea formal studies is like a social thing nowadays, its for namesake, not always useful. On the other hand, Deeni education is much much more rewarding, both in this Dunya and Akhirah. If you are in a position to make a decision then go for it sister. Be an alima . There are two instances when Envy(in a good way) is allowed in Islam, one of the person who spends in the path of Allah and other is towards the person who learns the Ilm and teaches it to others. So imagine the high status it is in front of Allah the Almighty. May Allah make it easy for you. ameen.

The Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said, “Envy is permitted only in two cases: Of a man whom Allah gives wealth, and he disposes of it rightfully, and of a man whom Allah gives knowledge, and he applies and teaches it.” [Bukhari]

However, we should also remember that a pious doctor who go out and help the poor and needy with his/her expertise is more valued to Allah (swt) than someone making ibadah 24x7 in their homes. Get the deeeni education and then become a doctor, inshaAllah.

[illiniastibly]

It's 2012 and we have some Muslims discussing whether females can be educated or not.

God help us.

[asivisepo]

However, we should also remember that a pious doctor who go out and help the poor and needy with his/her expertise is more valued to Allah (swt) than someone making ibadah 24x7 in their homes. Get the deeeni education and then become a doctor, inshaAllah.

Learning ilm and teaching it is sadaqa Jariyya, unlike being a doctor. How can you even compare the two!

I m not discouraging her to be a doctor. Its a very engaging course, So I was suggesting her to take a lighter course if she is planning to be an Alimah. Ofcourse if she thinks she can handle both medical college and Alimah course together then she can go ahead bi ithinillah...

[gooseCile]

there are some questions, if you or any other member can answer inshallah.

According to what I hear everywhere, Female education is essential in sense that she will have a degree and a degree in real sense. God forbid if in future she need to earn, she can take it back 0f shelve.
what about it, if she hasn't any degree and she need to earn money for her family?
Other is, when all brother and sisters are well educated in your your family and you quit it right in beginning. you will not be able to participate in their talk and bla blaa They will look down at you as if you are not competent or out dated.

Education is important for various reasons however, it has been my experience that having a degree does not ensure a job. I know professionals who struggle to keep their careers going despite ongoing work because they are competing with fresh graduates who have less experience but are cheaper to hire. I also know of people who have struggled to find employment in their field due to a lengthy absence from it. I also know people who have had to either change their career completely because the degree they obtained in another country was not recognized where they were living at the time or, they've had to take significant upgrading. For example, in Canada students are required to obtain a 4 year bachelors degree before they write the exams for law and medicine whereas in other countries students can enter directly into medicine and law out of highschool (most likely after a competitive exam).

As for being well educated in order to communicate with family members, insha'Allah arrogance is not the driving factor in education and insha'Allah our family members are humble enough to engage with anyone. That said, having a doctor, a social scientist and an engineer in the family does not mean they can all sit down and discuss business as they would with their colleagues. In other words, everyone has a 'specialty' regardless of what level of education one has obtained and we all have a way of being useful for our communities and families. Now, insha'Allah, if you obtain a deeni education, you might be the 'expert' in your family - the one everyone turns to for guidance.

Another aspect to consider is cost.

I like the idea of praying for guidance and insha'Allah you will make the best choice for you, your family and your community.

[One thing I regret is not spending more time learning about deen and if I could go back and re-do it all, I would have put a lot more of my energies into that effort instead of the pursuit of university degrees and careers. That said, it could just be my personal experiences that lead me to feel a void in the area of deeni knowledge or a disconnect between the two but it is worth noting here as an example for you.]

[Breeriacoirl]

Learning ilm and teaching it is sadaqa Jariyya, unlike being a doctor. How can you even compare the two!

I m not discouraging her to be a doctor. Its a very engaging course, So I was suggesting her to take a lighter course if she is planning to be an Alimah. Ofcourse if she thinks she can handle both medical college and Alimah course together then she can go ahead bi ithinillah...

Ofcourse if someone becomes a doctor and help the poor, and opens a hospital for poor that will also be considered as sadaqa jariyya, won't it?

I never said you are discouraging her, sorry if it came way, I was just providing my perspective to this situation.

[gkihueonhjh]

here in our town, there is a sister who is Dentist by profession. Her husband is MashaAllah too strict or modest you can say. She has her own clinic at home and that is only for Women. Is it not a good idea?

and I really want to know sister, what you think, at which length we should put a dot to our educational career?

I know this question is directed at sister mmb786 but I'd like to offer an observation: for the most part, pursing a secular education is not fulfilling, it is competitive in all the wrong ways and people want more and more to be better than x,y,x or parents push so that they can compete with x,y,z... it becomes a means by which to elevate our social status. No doubt there are people who use their education towards the good of our ummah but not everyone has the means, the willpower and the intention to do so; instead, there are many people who feel dissatisfied, disillusioned and regretful.

If you need to work and you know what you want to do, make the intention to do that and obtain the degree that you need to fulfill the requirements of that position. Once you get there, you may find that your experiences lead you to want to pursue something a little more advanced so that you can do more good (for the benefit of the community) then you make the intention to do that and go for the next level. However, if you start off with the intention to obtain a PhD so that you'll be on top of the world or your parents will be so proud to display their daughter as a PhD to the world... then I'm not sure you will be very happy with the outcome.

In other words, don't intend more than you can chew and really check your heart about what it is you are aiming for and how pure your intention is.

[nretdjuend]

]I know this question is directed at sister mmb786 but I'd like to offer an observation: for the most part, pursing a secular education is not fulfilling, it is competitive in all the wrong ways and people want more and more to be better than x,y,x or parents push so that they can compete with x,y,z... it becomes a means by which to elevate our social status. No doubt there are people who use their education towards the good of our ummah but not everyone has the means, the willpower and the intention to do so; instead, there are many people who feel dissatisfied, disillusioned and regretful. [/B]

How is it any different from someone becoming scholar and then is filled with Kibr (arrogance), and using their ilm in an incorrect way? There are alot of misguided scholars and there is a hadith that warns about this aspect.

What I am trying to say is that with aquisition of ILM whether its deeni or medical (secular) there is a test from Allah(swt) and now its upto individual whether he make the right choices and pass the test or make wrong choices and fail. For example, when someone becomes a doctor, do they use this knowledge to benefit the poor and others, or do they just want to make as much money as possible with it? Whether they pay zakat on the money they ear or not?

Similarly, a scholar of deen also face almost similar choices. I do not see any difference between those acquiring deeni ILM and those that toil to acquire ILM that can be used to explore and exploit Asbab, as long as they can benefit those who need them such as poor and needy. However, I think before we embark on acquisition of duniyavi ILM as some call it, we should have strong grounding in deeni ILM such as why are we Muslim and what are our responsibilities?, fully educated about the Seerat of RasoolAllah (saw) and how Shahabah's conducted themselves and strived in this world, fulfilling 5 times Salah etc.

[Meenepek]

It's 2012 and we have some Muslims discussing whether females can be educated or not.

God help us.

Please enlighten us on the meaning of the number 2012 on the notions of "right" and "wrong" (regardless of the subject of discussion), ya trulliyyah..

[provigil]

How is it any different from someone becoming scholar and then is filled with Kibr (arrogance), and using their ilm in an incorrect way? There are alot of misguided scholars and there is a hadith that warns about this aspect.

What I am trying to say is that with aquisition of ILM whether its deeni or medical (secular) there is a test from Allah(swt) and now its upto individual whether he make the right choices and pass the test or make wrong choices and fail. For example, when someone becomes a doctor, do they use this knowledge to benefit the poor and others, or do they just want to make as much money as possible with it? Whether they pay zakat on the money they ear or not?

Similarly, a scholar of deen also face almost similar choices. I do not see any difference between those acquiring deeni ILM and those that toil to acquire ILM that can be used to explore and exploit Asbab, as long as they can benefit those who need them such as poor and needy. However, I think before we embark on acquisition of duniyavi ILM as some call it, we should have strong grounding in deeni ILM such as why are we Muslim and what are our responsibilities?, fully educated about the Seerat of RasoolAllah (saw) and how Shahabah's conducted themselves and strived in this world, fulfilling 5 times Salah etc.

I do not disagree with this at all, it can enter in any area and intentions both at the start and as you go along are very important. for pointing it out.

[skupaemauto]

Here in the UK its quite hard to become a doctor and work e.t.c with a niqaab on. Plus you have to intermingle with doctors of the opposite gender...I guess its just a choice of deen or dunya sometimes.

i know a female who wears the niqab at a prominent medical school, here in the uk. yes, one has to remove the niqab when in the hospital environment, but does that not fall under necessity? i'm not sure. . .

[Allbrunette]

Yes it would be nice if you have degree, a bachelors degree as you mentioned earlier. You don't have to quit the formal studies altogather. But if you are going for medicine, then it would be very difficult for you to pursue both medicine and deeni studies together. Because medical college is pretty engaging in itself. But some people can balance both if Allah wills.

On the other hand if you take any other less difficult degree you will be easily able to concentrate on being an alima.

P.s. Sister perhaps do Salatul Istikhara for guidance.

A beautiful solution. If I am interested in medicine then I will not be able to dedicate myself to any other field I think. So I will talk home about this decision, and ofcourse will think about that 'balance' you mentioned, if I will be able to maintain.

yeah I need to.

[Khcyhshq]

It's 2012 and we have some Muslims discussing whether females can be educated or not.

God help us.

Well said sister! Yes Its 2012- age of awareness. People can read and write at ease, collection of Islamic books are available in market in language you demand, provided with Internet facility. Accordingly we Muslims should have enlightened and developed ideas about Islam with strong Imaan which would have guided us how not to be deceived by the fallacy of this Dunia and our blinked existence.

Ameen.

[SimSlim]

As for being well educated in order to communicate with family members, insha'Allah arrogance is not the driving factor in education and insha'Allah our family members are humble enough to engage with anyone. That said, having a doctor, a social scientist and an engineer in the family does not mean they can all sit down and discuss business as they would with their colleagues. In other words, everyone has a 'specialty' regardless of what level of education one has obtained and we all have a way of being useful for our communities and families. Now, insha'Allah, if you obtain a deeni education, you might be the 'expert' in your family - the one everyone turns to for guidance.

No sister, My point was that... ok, I am not interested in politics and the fights going on in all parts of the world etc so I don't have info about these things. rather I focus more my studies and home tasks. For this reason I get a good scold from my brothers and most of the time they make fun of me. Which I hate. I was hesitated for their response, as my family is aware of my this aim out loud, once they get to know that I am quiting... it will bring trouble in my life, not any such communication gap I think, ofcourse not. I referred the educational difference. I am just in my beginning level thats why, and I was thinking to quit it. But now I got my answer.

I like the idea of praying for guidance and insha'Allah you will make the best choice for you, your family and your community.

[One thing I regret is not spending more time learning about deen and if I could go back and re-do it all, I would have put a lot more of my energies into that effort instead of the pursuit of university degrees and careers. That said, it could just be my personal experiences that lead me to feel a void in the area of deeni knowledge or a disconnect between the two but it is worth noting here as an example for you.]

Great! Thanks for sharing. To be honest, If I feel like I am not able to bring a balance then I will rely on a degree with which I can give morrrrre time to Deen Inshaallah.

sis