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Old 07-16-2012, 07:40 AM   #1
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Default Boxing is haraam isnt it?
Salaam. boxing is haraam isnt it? then how would one explain loads of muslims stlll watching it ? maybe its due to an Amir khan, the fact that he is pakistanis, and pakistanis need to "represent"
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:08 AM   #2
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:26 AM   #3
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So is boxing harram or not?
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:07 AM   #4
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Me and my brother want to take up boxing because things are getting really bad and nearly every day we hear bout Muslims being beaten up and we want to take up boxing as a means for self defence but the thing is that someone told us that its haram to do boxing because your hitting someone on their face.

Considering this i still want to take up boxing but i just want to ask you because you have more knowledge about this. are we allowed to take up boxing if it is for self defence and the protection of your family 7 others





In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,


One of the conditions in order for a sport to be considered Islamically permissible to engage in, is that the sport must not be physically harmful or injurious. As such, a sport that is very aggressive or it is played in a way that undue physical harm is expected to either party, will not be permitted.

Allah Most High says:

“And make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction.” (Surah al-Baqarah, V: 195)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “An individual should not harm others or be harmed by others in return.” (la dharar wa la dhirar). (Mustadrak al-Hakim, 2/57 and others)

Thus, based on this, to take up the sport of boxing as it is common today can not be deemed permissible. The objective and aim in boxing is to knock out your opponent by physically hitting him on the head or the face- two of the most delicate places in the human body- with force and power. Islam prohibits striking someone on the face, even if it be for a justified reason.

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "If somebody fights (m, due to a lawful reason) then he should avoid the face.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2420)

The harms of boxing are known to all. Many boxers have sustained serious damages and injuries to their body, whilst some have also perished. Thus, one must avoid taking up this sport (or any other sport that entails serious physical harm).

On the other hand, Islam approves of physical exercise and training. Learning self-defence techniques is very important. However, in order to do this, one must use a means that is lawful and not harmful in any way. Harming another person or yourself for the purpose of training yourself for self-defence will not be permissible.

There are many other ways and means in order to train oneself for self-defence. One should take up methods wherein there is no apparent harm expected, such as semi-contact Karate, semi-contact kung-fu, etc. Also, if boxing is practiced on a punch bag, or martial arts is taken up without having full physical contact and not using excessive force, then this would also be allowed.

And Allah knows best

[Mufti] Muhammad ibn Adam
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:18 PM   #5
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So is boxing harram or not?


Yes it is. Would punching someone in the face with the intention of knocking them out ever be halal?

ps: What is the ruling on watching boxing and other such sports?
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:05 PM   #6
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Assalaam'aaleykum!

This is what Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam tweeted recently:

[quote]@Mufti_Muhammad_: The sport of Boxing - as professionally practiced - is Islamically impermissible, since it involves striking the face & undue physical harm.[\quote]
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:46 PM   #7
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The other martial arts mentioned deemed as permissible by the Mufti also involve striking the face and potentially 'undue physical harm'.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:51 PM   #8
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The other martial arts mentioned deemed as permissible by the Mufti also involve striking the face and potentially 'undue physical harm'.
Yes and other martial arts are more dangerous than boxing. There was one guy whos nose was displaced because someone kicked him in a tournament.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:55 PM   #9
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The other martial arts mentioned deemed as permissible by the Mufti also involve striking the face and potentially 'undue physical harm'.
That might be learning martial arts for self defense.

Allahu alam.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:01 PM   #10
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That might be learning martial arts for self defense.

Allahu alam.
You get a beating while learning and its dangerous.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:17 PM   #11
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is there a difference in ruling between learning boxing and artial arts for J!had and learning the to become a professional in a sport?
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:37 PM   #12
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You get a beating while learning and its dangerous.
Hazrat how about wrestling?
Rasoolullah did wrestle right?

I ve never tried any of these anyway. Don't know if I ever will.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:41 PM   #13
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Hazrat how about wrestling?
Rasoolullah did wrestle right?

I ve never tried any of these anyway. Don't know if I ever will.
Wrestling is good too. Yes it is sunnah but sadly we have left all these sunnahs of exercising and hardships to the extent that these sunnahs are seen as against BUZURGI. Its sunnah to pray with swords but if someone does it today hes seen as a terrorist.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:33 PM   #14
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so let me get this straight... if someone attacks you in the street then u are not allowed to punch them in the face out of self defence?

im talking abiout getting mugged here, not about taking part in a boxing match.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:01 PM   #15
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so let me get this straight... if someone attacks you in the street then u are not allowed to punch them in the face out of self defence?

im talking abiout getting mugged here, not about taking part in a boxing match.
Of course you are. Just how you're allowed to fight and harm/injure/kill the enemy on a field of battle, you're allowed to fight in self-defense. When "boxing" is mentioned, it refers to the sport, not the act of boxing and punching.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:42 PM   #16
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The other martial arts mentioned deemed as permissible by the Mufti also involve striking the face and potentially 'undue physical harm'.
Yes but other martial arts are usually associated with learning for the primary purpose of self-defence. So jui-jitsu, karate etc etc are associated with learning for self defence and usually these classes when they teach you how to defend yourself they are done without injury or without intent to harm. For example you are taught moves which involve hitting someone in the face, but in class you would do it very slowly with little force to practice them in the case that you are ever attacked on the street. When it comes to competitions, most competitions remove the aspect of hitting on the face and involve other things, like grappling, or submissions etc.

Boxing is usually associated as a sport rather than a self defence course. If you read the mufti's fatwa you will see he says boxing which involves just a bag etc and not hitting the human face is permissible.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:13 PM   #17
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Of course you are. Just how you're allowed to fight and harm/injure/kill the enemy on a field of battle, you're allowed to fight in self-defense. When "boxing" is mentioned, it refers to the sport, not the act of boxing and punching.
I think u might find that u may be wrong on this bro. r u an alim?
i swear i read an alim once say that even in battle its haram to strike the face based on the practice of our nabi (saw) in battle ie. he (saw) never struck the face even in jihad.
thats waht i read as far as i remember.

so if u cant do that in jihad ud hardly be able to do that on the street eh?

but this needs an alim to clarify
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:31 PM   #18
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I think u might find that u may be wrong on this bro. r u an alim?
i swear i read an alim once say that even in battle its haram to strike the face based on the practice of our nabi (saw) in battle ie. he (saw) never struck the face even in jihad.
thats waht i read as far as i remember.

so if u cant do that in jihad ud hardly be able to do that on the street eh?

but this needs an alim to clarify


I am no 'alim but I'm pretty sure if necessity arises, it becomes permissible. Hitting the face is not allowed even for punishment's sake since it is not a necessity. But if there is no way to defend yourself but to strike the face, it would be permissible due to necessity. In j-had (on the battlefield), there is no clear ruling on avoiding the face, for example, since it may become a necessity. Read here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...tting-the-Face
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:22 PM   #19
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Don't many sports have some type of physical harm or injurious events that may happen to the person?

Or is the fatwa such that it should be a serious physical harm?

For example, even in Hockey or Cricket, you can get physical harm as well.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:32 PM   #20
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lets have sunniforum boxing tournaments to decide unsolved debates!
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