[ToifvT5S]

moulana taliban

how are you for showing around some more people coming round for umrah in ramadhan?

[Toossehew]

Don't many sports have some type of physical harm or injurious events that may happen to the person?

Or is the fatwa such that it should be a serious physical harm?

For example, even in Hockey or Cricket, you can get physical harm as well.

The fatwa is based mainly on the prohibition of hitting someone on the face due to the harm it can cause someone and also because the face is one of the most precious parts of the body. There are many reasons why hitting the face is haraam, injury, humiliation, degradation etc etc.

If you're boxing or in a mixed martial arts competition where hitting on the face is allowed, then it is haraam because hitting the face is haraam unless in self defence. With regards to something like hockey, it is not prohibited because the aim of the game isn't to hit someone in the face, in fact the rules are made to prevent such an event from happening, for example, in hockey it is a foul to raise the hockey stick above a certain height to ensure someone is not hit on the head. So you can't say hockey or another sport is haraam as it does not involve hitting someone on the head.

The risk is there of course in which case you need to ascertain whether the risk is great enough to say this is haraam. For example, I forget what the 'sport' is called, but there is a sport where you stand on a cliff and time when the tide will be in and jump off. If you miscalculate, and the tide goes out, you hit the ground which in many cases results in severe bodily harm and in many cases death, if you time it right you hit the water and you're good.

The chances of severely harming yourself here is very high, and it's a very worthless endeavour and given it's silly nature and risks I could easily understand if this sport was said to be haraam. But if the risks are small and there is benefit in it then normal sports should be fine. At the end of the day there is risk in everything, even crossing the road.

[nilliraq]

I am no 'alim but I'm pretty sure if necessity arises, it becomes permissible. Hitting the face is not allowed even for punishment's sake since it is not a necessity. But if there is no way to defend yourself but to strike the face, it would be permissible due to necessity. In j-had (on the battlefield), there is no clear ruling on avoiding the face, for example, since it may become a necessity. Read here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...tting-the-Face

u say ur not an alim....then u give an opinion which u are pretty sure is the right one? contradiction there.

and the thread u posted doesnt give an answer for muggings or even jihad. the responder is an admin and is not a scholar on here. and even he says "Allahu alam" for the hitting the face in a mugging or jihad situation.

im concerned about halal and haram in my day to day life thats why i ask this question. i have hit ppl before in the face cos i deemed it necessary. so is my judgement on what i consider necessary enough to make it halal for me?

where are the ulama on this issue??

[kavaTeexy]

so.........Is Mike Tyson a Muslim?

[Alliopeti]

u say ur not an alim....then u give an opinion which u are pretty sure is the right one? contradiction there.

Sorry brother, but from what ulama have always stated is that when necessity arises, something haraam can become halaal.

and the thread u posted doesnt give an answer for muggings or even jihad. the responder is an admin and is not a scholar on here. and even he says "Allahu alam" for the hitting the face in a mugging or jihad situation. As I said, there is no clear ruling of punching the face in j-had since fighting to kill is also permissible in j-had but not acceptable otherwise.

im concerned about halal and haram in my day to day life thats why i ask this question. i have hit ppl before in the face cos i deemed it necessary. so is my judgement on what i consider necessary enough to make it halal for me?

where are the ulama on this issue?? Ulama usually post in the Fiqh section. Make this thread over there and explain your situation .

[Dokescoonse]

so.........Is Mike Tyson a Muslim?

Yes? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y6oO1G3NHE

[usaguedriedax]

What about the practice of boxing (for the purposes of self-defense or even sport) while wearing a head guard similar to the FG-5000 in the link below

http://winning-usa.com/headgear.html

OR

a cage head gear of this variety: http://www.combatsports.com/csi/figh...eadgear-4.html

?

[vNGiDaFX]

What about the practice of boxing (for the purposes of self-defense or even sport) while wearing a head guard similar to the FG-5000 in the link below

http://winning-usa.com/headgear.html

OR

a cage head gear of this variety: http://www.combatsports.com/csi/figh...eadgear-4.html

?

السلام عليكم

Interesting question but I would assume the ruling is the same since the ulema list many reasons for why hitting the face is prohibited which extend beyond injury.

[courlerwele]

Hazrat how about wrestling?
Rasoolullah did wrestle right?

I ve never tried any of these anyway. Don't know if I ever will.

I think you can safely place the following sports under the rubric of wrestling and which have beneficial from a self-defense perspective:

1) Judo
2) Sambo
3) Brazilian Jiu-jitsu

Also, there is a very effective form of striking known as kyokushin karate that has served as the base for many a successful K-1 fighter (K-1 is the premiere "kickboxing" organization in the world). In Kyokushin, no punches to the face are allowed, although kicking is. Despite no punching to the face being allowed, Kyokushin fighters have accounted themselves VERY WELL against boxers and kickboxers who do compete under rules that allow them to strike to the face.

If Muslims held their own competitions and training practices where they made just a single rule change, i.e. no kicks to the head, I think they could enjoy the benefits of Kyokushin as a devastating form of self-defense while not engaging in haraam.

[Savviioor]

Wrestling is good too. Yes it is sunnah but sadly we have left all these sunnahs of exercising and hardships to the extent that these sunnahs are seen as against BUZURGI. Its sunnah to pray with swords but if someone does it today hes seen as a terrorist.

Hit the nail right on the head Shaykh. So many overweight and obese Muslims and even Alims these days. What would Prophet saw and sahaba say about the gross amounts of fat carried around our waists and sedentary lifestyles we live today? What would Umar ra say if he saw all the fat Muslims today? Many of which hide behind oh it's all genetics which is rubbish for 99% of people. If they all ate one third of a stomachs fill and exercised in a manner to be fit for jihad or at least on a regular basis the vast majority of them would be in a healthy condition. Shaykh Zahir mentioned recently in a talk recently exactly on this point, how both disgusting and disgraceful the state many Muslims keep themselves in.

[amelveEnromma]

Mashallah thanks for the response, how would one deter the youth to stay away from glorifying boxers like Amir Khan ?
on a side note, ithink i speal for myself, but i sense there is some unhealthiness within the ummah, certainly in our community. However its slowlychaning as people are playing football more....

p.s formerly a yellow belt of the Shukokai karate style

[letittbe]

Mashallah thanks for the response, how would one deter the youth to stay away from glorifying boxers like Amir Khan ?
on a side note, ithink i speal for myself, but i sense there is some unhealthiness within the ummah, certainly in our community. However its slowlychaning as people are playing football more....

p.s formerly a yellow belt of the Shukokai karate style

Officially blue belt in Jui-jitsu, unofficially purple, at a push brown haha. I stopped a few years ago though unfortunately. When I finish uni inshaa Allah I will get back into it.

As to your question it's a difficult one, because I know how difficult it is to not watch boxing or MMA (used to be a heavy fan of this). Even now I feel the pull to tune in and watch the fights. It's less to do with glorifying the desi boxer and more to do with watching the technique and appreciating and understanding what's going on, but that doesn't make it halaal.

Best thing is to tell the youth that this is essentially something that is haraam and they are glorifying someone for committing this sin and also watching this sin.

May Allah grant me and everyone else the strength to stay away and remain away from watching/participating in these. Ameen

[fenter1]

Is there a particular martial art one can take up as a muslim? I know it is sunnat to learn archery, in todays day and age, the practical application of that is not so much. Also in a lot of countries, it is not practical to learn shooting. So is there a way of learning to fight without hurting others? To learn self-defence?


p.s. i tried karate a few times, at the end there was a bowing ceremony involved, which i didn't like so much. Also Tai Chi is based on Taoism, Yoga (which gives strength.. based on hinduism etc).

[vulikox]

Is there a particular martial art one can take up as a muslim? I know it is sunnat to learn archery, in todays day and age, the practical application of that is not so much. Also in a lot of countries, it is not practical to learn shooting. So is there a way of learning to fight without hurting others? To learn self-defence?


p.s. i tried karate a few times, at the end there was a bowing ceremony involved, which i didn't like so much. Also Tai Chi is based on Taoism, Yoga (which gives strength.. based on hinduism etc).

السلام عليكم

Practicing archery, while not practical is still sunnah and will still get you rewards Inshaa Allah. Besides, one day we will go back to sticks and stones. I love archery and would love to do it, unfortunately there is nowhere nearby that I know of that offers it which is a shame.

Why is it not practical to learn shooting? There are many shooting ranges you can go to where you hit boards and don't harm any living thing.

For self defence there is jui jitsu, you say you don't like the bowing though which is also a factor here. You usually just do a little bow I'm not sure why you are averse to it but if it's a very big thing then maybe jui-jitsu isn't for you. Then again if you explain to them why you don't like to bow they may not mind if it's a valid reason. For example, I have seen in some places the competitors do sajdah to each other before starting to fight, I would not be required to do that at all as it's completely against Islam.

Regards to Tai Chi and the rest, does it matter what it is based on so long as it doesn't involve anything unislamic. I have tried yoga myself, it is very good for stretching your muscles and becoming more flexible.

There is always boxing and kickboxing as well, all you need to do is take out the sparring and competition element and you're all set for an Islamic self defence. Punching and kicking well is just as important self defence techniques as are throwing someone to the group, submissions etc etc. Not to mention it is absolutely fantastic for fitness.

[RaicickKida]

Is there a particular martial art one can take up as a muslim? .... So is there a way of learning to fight without hurting others? To learn self-defence?


...

Wrestling (no bowing)
Sambo (no bowing)
Brazilian Jiu-jitsu (no bowing in many Western schools, especially those that practice without the gi)
Judo (You needn't learn as part of a class and could get some private instruction and explain to the instructor that you can't bow for religious reasons)

Regarding boxing, there are some coaches that only do "body sparring" (i.e. no punches to the head when practicing, only in competition). For you U.K. folks, if you are so lucky, train under Brendan Ingle or one of his proteges. Brendan Ingle was the trainer for Prince Naseem Hamed for all but his last 2-3 or three fights. Prince Naseem Hamed did not spar with head shots and yet he was able to win multiple world championships and he is not alone.

There are many options out there if you're just willing to do some work and find them.

[Pdarasenko]

Salaam. boxing is haraam isnt it? then how would one explain loads of muslims stlll watching it ? maybe its due to an Amir khan, the fact that he is pakistanis, and pakistanis need to "represent"

Well, Danny Garcia and Mufti Saheb KO's Amir Khan. :P