[Dogxzysl]

I doubt they are same.. isnt Abdur Raheem on SalafiTalk...

I think you maybe right, they are different...maybe the Barelwi Masjid thought it was Dawat-e-Islami talk

[halyshitzob]

well doesnt seem if Abdur raheem green is salafi.. cause salafitalk guys are bashing him one way .. perhapes someone can open a seperate thread introducing him..

[appleiphoneees]

Maybe the "Green" in his last name fooled them? : )

[craditc]

Maybe the "Green" in his last name fooled them? : )

lol

[Ekzamenov]

well doesnt seem if Abdur raheem green is salafi.. cause salafitalk guys are bashing him one way .. perhapes someone can open a seperate thread introducing him..

Abdur-Raheem green is part of the Ahlul Hadith of India and so is Bilal Philips, they are hated by the Salafis, espeically the latter.

[peemovvie]

I think you maybe right, they are different...maybe the Barelwi Masjid thought it was Dawat-e-Islami talk

They are totally different.And you should also becareful with another dawat-e-islami off shoot called 'sunni dawat-e-islami'.They are basically same as dawat-e-islami but their leader shaakir had differences with Ilyas Qadiri and separated off.Dawat-e-islami is also launching 2 TV channels soon by the end of this year i have heard from some of their mubalighs.

Note to Abuhajira:Im not part of dawat-e-islami and i only attend their gatherings sometimes,but i like their work very much.

And why was my post taken off and not brother 'slave's first post thats also full of BS?

[kabelshik]

kangj...

What was the cause of difference b/w sunni d-i and d-i?

I missed slave's post.. though it was not off topic but I have removed it..

[DghtRdc]

kangj...

What was the cause of difference b/w sunni d-i and d-i?

I missed slave's post.. though it was not off topic but I have removed it..

I am not sure about what other differences there are between Sunni DI and DI but i think the leader of Sunni DI didn't wana follow Ilyas Qadris ways of doing things and decided to make his own tanzeem.They separated off in early days of the start of DI but for some reason were not as successfull and still aren't as much ad DI.

They all wear white imaamas though not green.

Heres a link to their site:http://www.sunnidawateislami.net/

[sensation]

Salam. I agree with brother Abu hajirah and apolagise if I have offended anyone. Anyways , I have noticed some DI's that wear white imama's. I thought they were of the same group. The white imama's look good mashallah.

[tramadolwithall]

Assalamulikum,

There maybe more groups called dawate-islam or dawat-ul-islam, but their are at least two. One is as the brothers have mentioned here a Sunni-Hanafi-Barelvi version of the Tablighi Jamaat and the other is a sub group of the Jamati Islamis.

Basically here in the UK the Jamati Islami Bengali group in the 80s I believe had a quarrrel amongst themselves and split into two groups one being the IFE (Islamic Forum Europe) and the other called themselves dawat-ul-islam. The dawat-ul-islam brother Zaynul speaks about is this jamati islami one. Althougth this groups claims to be hanafi or have hanafi views, it is very much salafistic in approach and have adopted many salafi positions on things. They have a madarash in london too known as Dar al Ummah.

[furillo]

assalamu 'alaykum,

It's the Barelwi version of Tablighi Jamat. They wear their signature green turbans. The founder I think copied the TJ format but made slight modifications such as referring to jamats as madni kaflay and reducing the 40 day chilla to 30 days. They also have a "tasawwuf" element to their organization such as being required to give baya' to their main pir. Furthermore, they have their own version of Fadhail-e-Amal as well, it's referred to as Faizan-e-Sunnat. Dawat-e-Islami was founded in 1980 by an 'atr (perfurme) seller named Ilyas Qadri. The organization has a large following in Pakistan. They are known for providing loads of food (and halwa) to their devotees and women also attend their events.

Assalamualaikum

Jazakallah Khair for the reply.

Can anyone clarify the following for me please:

40 day chilla to 30 days What is Chilla?

baya' to their main pir Who is their main pir? Ilyas Qadiri?

Kind Regards.

[Q0KmoR8K]

Assalamualaikum

Jazakallah Khair for the reply.

Can anyone clarify the following for me please:



What is Chilla?



Who is their main pir? Ilyas Qadiri?

Kind Regards.

chilla is 40 days the term is mostly used by tablighi jamaat when they go out for 40 days.
yes the leader and pir of DI is Ilyas Qadri.

[StitsVobsaith]

Jazakallah Khair for the replies

Assalamualaikum

[Cuccuccaltefe]

First they said Tabligh is Innovation now they are doing something similar.....

[lrUyiva1]

When they go out in their kafla, what do they do,exactly?

What is their daily tarteeb of amals, from morning till evening?

Someone mentioned that the Dawat e Islami group has split into two. Do both of the groups operate in the same way? What was the split over.

[DoroKickcrofe]

When they go out in their kafla, what do they do,exactly?

What is their daily tarteeb of amals, from morning till evening?

Someone mentioned that the Dawat e Islami group has split into two. Do both of the groups operate in the same way? What was the split over.

I been on their qafilas twice!Once went to london and the other leicester.In the morning they have breakfast and after breakfast they read out the days jadwal (timetable) than after the the qafila nigraan (leader) choses what person will do what i.e whose gona do dars after every namaaz etcc.Than after they give us 1 hour lecture about how muslims should be etc..than we learn about basics of namaaz and wudu according to hanafi madhab.Than its zuhar time and than eat lunch after zuhar,than start the process of learning new duas etc..After they go ou do chok dars(dars in market places),than go and invite other fellow muslims to come to mosque and pray their salah and listen to the dars or bayaan after that.Than come back to mosque and read Asar,than listen continue with process of teaching and learning till magrib,Than after listen to bayaan from hazrat saab on laptop or cassete till ISha than back to sleep. And dars and bayaan takes place after every namaaz.Qafila stays can range from 2 days to 1 year and also from UK many qafilas this summer going to europe too.I might go to Spain qafila this summer for 1 week.

[Tinasblue]

So you will affirm that the basic tarteeb is as of the TJ. Yes, the names and everything are different, but in essence, it is the same,no?

This is not meant to be a criticism.

[Wgnhqhlg]

I don't know who TJ are and what they do!But i know deobandis though.I think they have 2 or 3 mosques around derby and their bases are leicester and dewsbury.I have heard that TJ and deo are same thing but TJ are more practical though..

[crycleascentyv]

Okay br. Kang.. from what you have shared with us.. now we can say that there is not much different between the two. (no pun and no disrespect).. I like that you are involved in some deeni work.. Allah make it a means of hidaya to you and all around you. Amin

Now.. TJ or Tableeghi Jamaat is pretty much the same tarteeb which you have mentioned.. with slight changes here and there.. They are also hanafi and follow deobandi Ulama..

It would be incorrect to say that TJ and deobandi are same.. because I have met numerous barelwies, ahl hadeeth, Jamaati brothers in TJ as well.. but predominantly they are deobandies. But to say that.. you will need to know what is meant by saying so and so is a deobandi.

Deobandi is a methodology, a mindset and it is that of the Akabir Ulama of DU Deoband.. Basic apparent difference which you would see between the deobandi and D-I is the absence of Zawaid in the actions.. Since DI is hard rooted in barelwi, you will see salami, giyarwi, khatam etc.. deobandi masajid are pretty much void of these activities.. here an there you might fine masajid conducting khatm khuwajgan etc.. but none of the other things like niyaz.. Other aparent change would be the emphasis on naa't.. There is an immense ghuloo of recitation of na't among barelwis.. so this may be present in DI as well.

Finally, as I have understood from my interaction in both circles.. the acceptance of somethin as a sunnah may be more academic based in deobandi people, while it is more emotionally based in barelwies.. This is also present in DI... because once you are there .. the phrase is either madani batein, or sunnati batein.. which instills ghuloo in the awaam to think that these "batain" are infact an establishment within sunnah...

Q. How much time you spend in a day to correct tajweed in the quran.. and what is the tarteeb for that?

[ashleyjoseph]

Q. How much time you spend in a day to correct tajweed in the quran.. and what is the tarteeb for that?

In DI tajweed is taught,but in my area they not running classes for it at the moment.

Tajweed..yes gota get that sorted out.Gona attend classes by my mate this summer,hes a shadhili and has done his first year at Jamia.Hes gona have summer off so im gona learn tajweed and basic arabic from him.