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Old 01-06-2012, 12:29 AM   #21
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Assalamu alaykum

I think this discussion should be stopped. If the shaykh gave tawajjah, the mureed got it. the mureed got excited he went of control and if it for Allah swt both are benefited. The onlookers won't get any thing. If it is fake no use in discussing this.
Wa'alaikum asalaam wah rahmatuAllah wah barakatu,
Brother there is no reason for the discussion to be stopped.
I am genuinely asking question about this, I have seen the videos and know some brothers who are part of this Tariqa and they invited me to their mehfil and I witnessed it with my own eyes and it was the first time I have ever seen anything like that so I'm trying to gain further understanding.
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Old 01-07-2012, 06:26 AM   #22
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Ive seen the videos and yes your are correct. I was invited to one of their mehfils and attended recently and it was a very nice atmosphere mashallah the unity in the brothers was something I hadn't felt in a long time and then the zikr started and then the wajd/Tawajjuh. I have been told to come for at leats 7 mehfils and I will start to feel the effects.

I attended as I am currently looking to join a Tariqa and give bayah so just going to as many of the zikr circles to see what what goes on etc.
In which country have you attended the mehfil ?
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Old 01-07-2012, 06:54 AM   #23
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Salam,
I have a specific question and hoping the learned brother/sisters on here can answer.

There are video's floating about youtube with some sufi's and some powerful 'Tawajjuh' going on.
I'm not interested in the movement or how the people react to this and what goes on or if they are brelvi etc all i want to know is in your opinion is this Tawajjuh real? is it genuine? I know in the videos some of them are probably acting or maybe they aren't (Allah knows best) but do you feel it is possible for Tawajjuh to have this effect?
I was discussing this with a brother who isn't a sufi or doesn't practise Tasawuf and he said the sheikhs/pir's use Jinns?
I ask this because I was recently invited to a mehfil and I witnessed this with my own eyes and at first I didn't know how to react and thought maybe just maybe some of these guys are over reacting then realised that I don't think they are ... I was telling a mate and he is convinced it is the use of Jinn.

What are your thoughts?

JK
Is it real, yes.

Tawajjo can be done and wajd happens also. Tawajjo is more refined strong power of thought you can say. Tawajjo is something a person develops like how you do exercises to develop strength in your arms, same way you develop strength in power of thought.

Wajd, the example is like how some people hear music and cant help but dance, in the same way is wajd. Wajd just comes over someone. It has to be goverened by shariah, person cant be doing something haraam and say it is wajd, it doesnt excuse him unless truly he is mentally incapable to control himself and only ulama fuqaha will give ruling on this. Also, doing both things doesnt prove anything as far as nearness to Allah swt and His messenger salallahu alayhi wa sallam are concerned.

The greater tawajjo I say is that one is constantly aware of the commandments of Allah swt in every situation and upon taking every step in life. And the real wajd is in sajdah.
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Old 01-07-2012, 03:43 PM   #24
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Is it real, yes.

Tawajjo can be done and wajd happens also. Tawajjo is more refined strong power of thought you can say. Tawajjo is something a person develops like how you do exercises to develop strength in your arms, same way you develop strength in power of thought.

Wajd, the example is like how some people hear music and cant help but dance, in the same way is wajd. Wajd just comes over someone. It has to be goverened by shariah, person cant be doing something haraam and say it is wajd, it doesnt excuse him unless truly he is mentally incapable to control himself and only ulama fuqaha will give ruling on this. Also, doing both things doesnt prove anything as far as nearness to Allah swt and His messenger salallahu alayhi wa sallam are concerned.

The greater tawajjo I say is that one is constantly aware of the commandments of Allah swt in every situation and upon taking every step in life. And the real wajd is in sajdah.
Bhai Fusus a quick one what is the impact of a tawajjuh ? Also the tawajjuh can be done only face to face or it can be done from anywhere else in the worldl. Like if i m here in China and The Shaykh is in India so can it be linked?

Awaiting your precious reply.
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:56 PM   #25
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funny how none of these people go into 'wajd' when they hear the quran...funny how many of them don't even seem to be outwardly following the sunnah....but they hear someone singing about their peer and now they go into wajd hmmm
Are you trying to say something about a certain group? If you are then go ahead and say it, these kind of issues are way too advanced for a woman to understand anyway;
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:22 PM   #26
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Assalamu alaykum

May be a pious muslim psychologist can explain this a better way.
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:24 AM   #27
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In which country have you attended the mehfil ?
It was in the UK, was a small mehfil, nothing like what you see on youtube.
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Old 01-08-2012, 01:00 AM   #28
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Are you trying to say something about a certain group? If you are then go ahead and say it, these kind of issues are way too advanced for a woman to understand anyway;
i was actually referring to this sort of thing http://youtu.be/oeotBlBmOJM loads of people dancing in the audience dont just not follow the sunnah but they do the complete opposite...grow their moustaches and shave thir beards

thats not even wajd....its full on bhangra lol

warning: video contains music
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Old 01-08-2012, 03:29 AM   #29
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i was actually referring to this sort of thing http://youtu.be/oeotBlBmOJM loads of people dancing in the audience dont just not follow the sunnah but they do the complete opposite...grow their moustaches and shave thir beards

thats not even wajd....its full on bhangra lol

warning: video contains music
Ok Jazakallah
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:17 AM   #30
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Im quite intrigued with Wajd/trance states that occur with many muslims associated with sufism. In my opinion i feel that this state of trance is something which happens due to high emotions. One could be in this state in any situation regardless of what they follow. You see Christians, Jews, dancers, Qawali lovers all who get into trance state.
Just the ways sufis do dhikr via swaying heads and twirling movements is seen the same with christians who be in a trance state.

Wajd is a science that specialises in losing control of oneself to a higher level. You see with many sufis who have practised this art could get into this state really quick. Its like when a engine warms up in an aeroplane, the faster it gets the more power the plane gets. When speeds are high we have lift off.
Similarly with people who practise wajd they do movements. The more they move the more they lose control of themselves and hence be up in the air.

I belive this state is a persons own creation, its all to do with high emotions. When a mumin shows love to Allah s.wa and has a feeling of awe in the heart Allah s.w.a loves that mumin and will have the same feeling towards him.

But this losing control of the body/senses does not make sense at all.

Allahualim.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:28 AM   #31
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Are you trying to say something about a certain group? If you are then go ahead and say it, these kind of issues are way too advanced for a woman to understand anyway;
maybe you should edit the last sentence as it is sexist.
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