[MilenaMKB]

Those who seek to create fitnah:

http://shiningblades.blogspot.in/201...fferences.html

Are Fancy abayas allowed?

http://drabutamim.blogspot.in/2012/0...ed-or-not.html

[Deribasov]

Those who seek to create fitnah:

http://shiningblades.blogspot.in/201...fferences.html

Al Salamu 'Alaykum.

Agar koi shakhs jama’t mein tod ki baat karta hai to samajhlo ke:
ya to woh naadaan hai.
ya woh bika huwa hai.
ya woh sihr-zadaa hai.
ya woh qadiani hai.

Translation:
If you see someone trying to create rifts and differences in the Jama'h (tabligh), then know that:
Either he is simple-minded.
Or he has sold out(to the enemies of Islam).
Or he is under the effect of black magic.
Or he is a Qadiani.

Haji shakil(db)’s majlis, Sunday 19/2/12.

Today's Majlis was an Eye Opener. How batil has infiltrated the noble effort of Maulana Ilyas . Must listen

[gambleingsites]

Today's Majlis was an Eye Opener. How batil has infiltrated the noble effort of Maulana Ilyas . Must listen

link?
or notes please

[Deribasov]

link?
or notes please

http://shariat.info/newshariatinfo/b...08-07-2012.mp3

MUST LISTEN!

[Deribasov]

Some of the points propagated by these Batil Elements.

1. We want to make Da'iis and not Aabids.
2. Our work is being affected and hampered by Tasawwuf and Khanqahs. Don't go to the Mashaikh else you'll leave the effort.
3. 6 Points is Complete Deen.


and many more. Please keep in mind that this is not a Tabligh bashing lecture. Hadrath highlights the importance of following the Usools as laid down by the Previous three hadrathjis. The Usools are such that warring families, tribes, sects have made repentance and accepted the Haq, Now, people are being cut from Haq due to some elements who have infiltrated this noble effort. On the top of the list is Qadianis.

[Deribasov]

If one where to study the Usools of Maulana Ilyas is to not look down upon any Muslim no matter what evil and haram he perpetrates. Take for example the Usools of Gasht (Jawla). Every is reminded to look at the positives of a Muslims, and if he is so bad and evil, he has nonetheless proclaimed the Kalima لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله . This is not just Adab (Usool) of Gasht this is infact the Adab (Usool) of Life.

Now, we ask What Haram and Evil acts do the Khanqah Mashaikh ask us to perpetrate? Do they teach how to sin or give up sin.

[Deribasov]

Now, we ask What Haram and Evil acts do the Khanqah Mashaikh ask us to perpetrate? Do they teach us how to sin or to give up sins? Its ironic that we will go to all types of sinners and even overlook their faults because our usool says so, but at the same time when Mashaikhs are mentioned then all faults are theirs and they are to be blamed for all the ills of this ummah!

[Deribasov]

In an earlier lecture (01-07-2012), Haji Shakeel Ahmed DB mentioned that the Usools of this effort of Maulana Ilyas are divinely inspired and closest to the Sunnah. The Usools are such that they do not leave any room for dispute and strife among the Muslims. Hence, Hanafis, Shafi'is, Malikis, Hanablis, Arab, Ajam, Blacks, Whites, Literate, Illiterate, Poor, Rich etc. Muslims form all parts and of all types joined this effort. Why? Maulana Ilyas by the grace of Allah analysed the situation of this Ummah and came to a conclusion that the Ummah is divided on the following four issues

1. Aqaid (Beliefs)
2. Fiqhi Differences
3. Current Affairs
4. Politics

Maulana Ilyas made an Usool to not discuss on this issues in this effort. The Usools of Maulana Ilyas are 16 and as follows.

To the spend ones time in the following 4 activites: Dawah, Learning and Teaching, Dhikr and Other Worship, and Serving
To spend the least time in the following 4 activities: Eating, Sleeping, Calls of Nature and Essential talk
To abstain completely from the following 4 actions: Expectations of the Nafs, Expressing this expectation with the tongue, Wasteful expenditure and Taking others belongings without prior permission.
To abstain from discussing the following 4 issues individually or collectively: Beliefs, Fiqhi Differences, Current Affairs and Politics.


And now batil people have started raising the slogan Don't go to the Mashaikh, So and So is such and so and so is evil, Don't sit with the Imam coz he does not spend time in Khurooj and Gasht etc. These people are the ones who are spoiling the effort of Maulana Ilyas

[Rounteetepehryn]

[gambleingsites]

http://shariat.info/newshariatinfo/b...08-07-2012.mp3

MUST LISTEN!

jazakallah,subhanallah
i will make notes

[gambleingsites]

Some of the points propagated by these Batil Elements.

1. We want to make Da'iis and not Aabids.
2. Our work is being affected and hampered by Tasawwuf and Khanqahs. Don't go to the Mashaikh else you'll leave the effort.
3. 6 Points is Complete Deen.


and many more. Please keep in mind that this is not a Tabligh bashing lecture. Hadrath highlights the importance of following the Usools as laid down by the Previous three hadrathjis. The Usools are such that warring families, tribes, sects have made repentance and accepted the Haq, Now, people are being cut from Haq due to some elements who have infiltrated this noble effort. On the top of the list is Qadianis.

many are crying that the effort goes back to what it was meant to be

[vipluka]

Some of the points propagated by these Batil Elements.

1. We want to make Da'iis and not Aabids.
2. Our work is being affected and hampered by Tasawwuf and Khanqahs. Don't go to the Mashaikh else you'll leave the effort.
3. 6 Points is Complete Deen.


and many more. Please keep in mind that this is not a Tabligh bashing lecture. Hadrath highlights the importance of following the Usools as laid down by the Previous three hadrathjis. The Usools are such that warring families, tribes, sects have made repentance and accepted the Haq, Now, people are being cut from Haq due to some elements who have infiltrated this noble effort. On the top of the list is Qadianis.

i concur with you but one confusion...what is not in 6 points but is in deen...i mean 6 points includes whole deen if looked with depth...!

1) imaan - it includes all imaani sifaat like love of allah, fear of allah, yaqeen of allah, true aqaid, etc
2) Salat- it includes all ibadaat like roza, zakat, hajj, etc
3) Ilm wa Zikr- it includes knowledge of deen and practically putting it into lives with remembrance or sifat-e-ihsan
4) Ikram muslim- it includes ikhlaaqiyaat, maamlaat and maashauraat
5) Ikhlaas- it includes tazkiyah, tarbiyat
6) dawat- tabligh- it includes all the sacrifices made for deen

what else is in deen beyond 6 points...if one looks at haqeeqat (reality) of 6 points ...it surely contains whole deen but if one takes a superficial look then one will not find whole deen in it...!

And we want to make daais who are aabids too...dawat with ibadat will lead to success....only dawat without sifaat will not lead to success...!

Mashaikhs support dawat and we need there duas and tawaju for consistency in the field of dawat...

[Deribasov]

i concur with you but one confusion...what is not in 6 points but is in deen...i mean 6 points includes whole deen if looked with depth...!

1) imaan - it includes all imaani sifaat like love of allah, fear of allah, yaqeen of allah, true aqaid, etc
2) Salat- it includes all ibadaat like roza, zakat, hajj, etc
3) Ilm wa Zikr- it includes knowledge of deen and practically putting it into lives with remembrance or sifat-e-ihsan
4) Ikram muslim- it includes ikhlaaqiyaat, maamlaat and maashauraat
5) Ikhlaas- it includes tazkiyah, tarbiyat
6) dawat- tabligh- it includes all the sacrifices made for deen

what else is in deen beyond 6 points...if one looks at haqeeqat (reality) of 6 points ...it surely contains whole deen but if one takes a superficial look then one will not find whole deen in it...!

And we want to make daais who are aabids too...dawat with ibadat will lead to success....only dawat without sifaat will not lead to success...!

Mashaikhs support dawat and we need there duas and tawaju for consistency in the field of dawat...

Do you learn aqaid, masail in Jamat? You have to go out of the way to learn. We are strongly advised not to discuss aqaid and masail in Jamat. But it doesn't mean we should not learn them.

For this we have to approach the Ulema.

[datingcrew]

i concur with you but one confusion...what is not in 6 points but is in deen...i mean 6 points includes whole deen if looked with depth...!

1) imaan - it includes all imaani sifaat like love of allah, fear of allah, yaqeen of allah, true aqaid, etc
2) Salat- it includes all ibadaat like roza, zakat, hajj, etc
3) Ilm wa Zikr- it includes knowledge of deen and practically putting it into lives with remembrance or sifat-e-ihsan
4) Ikram muslim- it includes ikhlaaqiyaat, maamlaat and maashauraat
5) Ikhlaas- it includes tazkiyah, tarbiyat
6) dawat- tabligh- it includes all the sacrifices made for deen

what else is in deen beyond 6 points...if one looks at haqeeqat (reality) of 6 points ...it surely contains whole deen but if one takes a superficial look then one will not find whole deen in it...!

And we want to make daais who are aabids too...dawat with ibadat will lead to success....only dawat without sifaat will not lead to success...!

Mashaikhs support dawat and we need there duas and tawaju for consistency in the field of dawat...

Asslam,

rightly said brother faizanakram99- "it surely contains whole deen but if one takes a superficial look then one will not find whole deen in it...!".

I heard this from one of our saathis, that he has heard this from Maulana Saad (DB) saying that ki Mujhe taa'jjub hai uss shaks par jo kahe ki 6 sifaat poora deen nahi hai

[Deribasov]

Asslam,

rightly said brother faizanakram99- "it surely contains whole deen but if one takes a superficial look then one will not find whole deen in it...!".

I heard this from one of our saathis, that he has heard this from Maulana Saad (DB) saying that ki Mujhe taa'jjub hai uss shaks par jo kahe ki 6 sifaat poora deen nahi hai

Do you understand the meaning of poora deen ie complete seen 100%. The effort of Tabligh is to revive the complete deen to the level of the Sahabah. Similarly the 6 points are the basis for the complete deen. And not the complete deen itself.

Once we make the 6 points as complete deen, then there is no need to go to the ulema and the mashaikh as we have the complete deen.

[hojutok]

Assalamu alaykum

Heard in Nizamuddin.

"qana'ath daee ka zawaal hai"

Contentment stops the progress of a Daee. Next stage is downfall.

And there are people who invite towards contentment ( I am sharing my practical experiences, "bhayee ek satah per aa gaye hoe, ab aage badhna chaahiye, aur aage badhne ke liye hamare pass aao").

When we lose a Daee, indirectly it is a Big Big loss for ummah. (This is from my personal experiences with others)

Now this is humble request to our brothers, allow the daee to progress, don't allow him to move towards contentment. Or when you see contentment push him back to dawat o tableeg.

[vipluka]

One clarification Br. At-tayib...

well the meaning of 6 points should be understood...6 points means all the efforts which are to be done to bring 6 qualities into life like giving dawat, doing mashk(practice), and making duwa(supplication)

In 3rd sifat Ilm-zikr....in mashk(practice), we are told to go to ulema on daily basis or on weekly basis to learn deen....goin to ulema is itself included in 6 points....tabligh or 6 points is not only doing gasht, taleem rather it is all practices which our elders in nizamudin say....which includes goin to ulema for learning deen...!

[Deribasov]

Inshallah i'll translate the relevant parts of the lecture by Haji Shakil Ahmed DB for better understanding

[vipluka]

Inshallah i'll translate the relevant parts of the lecture by Haji Shakil Ahmed DB for better understanding

btw...where are you from??

india? or pk? or ???

[datingcrew]

In 3rd sifat Ilm-zikr....in mashk(practice), we are told to go to ulema on daily basis or on weekly basis to learn deen....goin to ulema is itself included in 6 points....tabligh or 6 points is not only doing gasht, taleem rather it is all practices which our elders in nizamudin say....which includes goin to ulema for learning deen...!

very true