[viagsjicguara]

Many non Muslims wash up by filling the sink with hot water and add washing up detergent. Then soak the plates and scrub, etc and then take out without rinsing(!) or rinse first and finally hand dry with a tea towel. Is such a method acceptable according to at-taharah principles? The water is mixed with food particles, grease, saliva, etc.

I've noticed Muslims / Asians rinse the plates under running water and use a sponge applied with detergent to clean. Then rinse again and dry. This is closer to Islam?

In summary non Muslims give "a bath" to the plates whereas the Muslims method is "to give a shower". Everyone agrees a shower is cleaner than a bath (if you don't rinse afterwards).

[TZtrDuso]

The way some Asians do it is really wasting a lot of water.

The one that the non-Muslims do, it saves much more water and gets it clean.

[Nesskissabe]

The way some Asians do it is really wasting a lot of water.

The one that the non-Muslims do, it saves much more water and gets it clean.

Not if you run the tap real slow. The non Muslim way is not clean if you don't rinse after soaking. Many old people still do it this way.

Off topic:
Many non Muslims would say washing with water after the toilet is a waste of water all you need is a dry wipe with tissue and a shower every day (assuming you shower daily which isn't the case for all of them)

[Lilji]

I'm not sure that it is good to generaize about how muslims vs. non-muslims wash the dishes. Chassidic Jews are non-muslims, and they wash in a completely different manner than above. Additionally, restaurants are supposed to scrape or rinse all food particles off--> wash--> rinse in clean water--> sanitize (often a bleach/water solution). Certain water temperatures are also required, including for dishwashers.

I do not use a sponge at all for washing dishes, since sponges harbor bacteria. (In fact, restaurants are not supposed to use a sponge for dish washing for that reason.)

[uniopaypamp]

Off topic:
Many non Muslims would say washing with water after the toilet is a waste of water all you need is a dry wipe with tissue and a shower every day (assuming you shower daily which isn't the case for all of them)

If you are meaning the privates after toilet, then many say that using water is good too.

Best is both.

[Adeniinteme]

The way some Asians do it is really wasting a lot of water.

The one that the non-Muslims do, it saves much more water and gets it clean.

Please don't honor non-Muslims like this. Please don't even praise them. They are najis.

[khjhkfggt]

I'm not sure that it is good to generaize about how muslims vs. non-muslims wash the dishes. Chassidic Jews are non-muslims, and they wash in a completely different manner than above. Additionally, restaurants are supposed to scrape or rinse all food particles off--> wash--> rinse in clean water--> sanitize (often a bleach/water solution). Certain water temperatures are also required, including for dishwashers.

I do not use a sponge at all for washing dishes, since sponges harbor bacteria. (In fact, restaurants are not supposed to use a sponge for dish washing for that reason.)

I'm not generalizing, I said "Many" not "All". Dishwashers might be used but when it comes to hand washing-up (at home perhaps) this is the usual method. See the Fairy Liquid TV advert. Ask how they clean at McDonald's: "in hot soapy water".

I've seen programmes on Chassidic Jews but they go to the other extreme. Islam is the middle way.... Separate utensils, plates, sinks for meat and milk products? Tell me how they wash... I'm interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism

You can find how to disinfect a sponge. But it should be used for few days and thrown away. On the back of antibacterial washing up liquid there are instructions how to apply a small amount to a rinsed out sponge. Microwaving a sponge might help. If you don't use a sponge what do you use - your hand / feet?

We know how some non Muslims wash their hands after the bathroom with separate hot and cold water taps. Filling up the sink with mixed water they proceed to wash. Disgusting.

The point is running water is crucial in Islam?

P.S. last year when I joined a new company - on the first day I didn't bring a mug. My boss offered me a coffee and took a cup out of the "dirty" washing-up water. And made me a coffee. To avoid any offence I let the coffee go cold and discreetly emptied it in the sink. There was no way I was going to drink that. But for her, no problem!

[SkHukV3N]

No, my feet were too difficult, so instead I just lick all the dishes clean with my tongue. One benefit that I have found with this method is that it keeps me from letting good food particles go to waste. Another benefit is that all the little taste buds on the tongue make the perfect pot scrubber. Additionally, the saliva works to help break down all the food, plus provide a source of liquid to continuously replenish the bubbles in the soap. The temperature of the tongue also ensures a fast drying time, which means that towels are not needed either. Another benefit is that in case of drought, no valuable water is being wasted.

I know you are being sarcastic and as a non-Muslim you don't lick your plate. You still haven't answered my question: with no sponge what do you use? Ironically it is in fact Sunnah to lick the plate as this hadith reports:

750. Jabir reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, commanded that both the fingers and the plate should be licked. He said, "You do not know in what part of the food the blessing lies." [Muslim]

[TimoDassss]

I know you are being sarcastic and as a non-Muslim you don't lick your plate. You still haven't answered my question: with no sponge what do you use? Ironically it is in fact Sunnah to lick the plate as this hadith reports:

750. Jabir reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, commanded that both the fingers and the plate should be licked. He said, "You do not know in what part of the food the blessing lies." [Muslim]

I deleted my post, because I did not want for it to be mistaken as being snarky. I am glad that you did not take it that way.

I scrape the plates into the trash, take it out immediately afterward, rinse the dishes thoroughly with running water and soap. After that I place them in the dishwasher, add in dishwasher detergent and bleach or vinegar, and for the handwashing I put them in the "bath" as you call it. After they take a bath I rinse them off with running water, and put them in the drainer to air dry. I use a clean washcloth each time, and after each load I put it in the laundry to wash. I use a clean cloth for wiping down counters. Everything gets a clean cloth. I am actually quite a germophobe, and excessive handwasher. My dishes are not dirty by the time they take their bath. I would not be able to stand food floating in the dishtub. Nor can I stand dirty dishcloths sitting by the sink, nor dirty towels. Even I shower before a bath, (like in Japan). And please do not ever ask me to drink from a cup after someone else already has.

[Metrujectiktus]

Please don't honor non-Muslims like this. Please don't even praise them. They are najis.

Astaghfirullah, I hope you are not serious.

[ZX3URrBH]

I deleted my post, because I did not want for it to be mistaken as being snarky. I am glad that you did not take it that way.

I scrape the plates into the trash, take it out immediately afterward, rinse the dishes thoroughly with running water and soap. After that I place them in the dishwasher, add in dishwasher detergent and bleach or vinegar, and for the handwashing I put them in the "bath" as you call it. After they take a bath I rinse them off with running water, and put them in the drainer to air dry. I use a clean washcloth each time, and after each load I put it in the laundry to wash. I use a clean cloth for wiping down counters. Everything gets a clean cloth. I am actually quite a germophobe, and excessive handwasher. My dishes are not dirty by the time they take their bath. I would not be able to stand food floating in the dishtub. Nor can I stand dirty dishcloths sitting by the sink, nor dirty towels. Even I shower before a bath, (like in Japan). And please do not ever ask me to drink from a cup after someone else already has.

If you like I can delete my post quoting your deleted post so there's no record of your comment? I agree with your method - you know though dishwasher manufacturers just say to remove food from the plate and place in the dishwasher. The first cycle of rinsing takes care of that. Sorry if I was generalizing. There might be Muslims who also use the non-Muslim method so it works both ways!

[Ccddfergt]

Husna & waqasmahmahmood

you guys should becareful about what you say on the forum especialy one such as this. many christian seeking the truth might be googling differences between islaam & christianity & the search engines might just bring up this thread.
Pouring rain is not muslim but I & many others will put our heads on a block for her. she is a non muslim senior member so it says alot.

but to the matter at hand. there is no muslim way of washing dishes unless there is najasah on them. so unless you had pork in your plate, a dog licked it or there is some blood on it there is no reason to even bother. & najasah is removed by a simple rince until all taste, colour & smell is gone. if its najis from pig or dog then there are 7 washes one of which is sand. done. khalas, dont make the deen difficult.