[Karensmith]

the problem with that is their perception of "islamic shariah" vs your perception thereof. It differs. while they are trying to bring their ideology of islamic environment and shariah, they cannot promise jamat islami people their understanding of islamic shariah, or ghamdi follower their ideology or alike..

So the issue will boil down to.. you have what you have on your plate.. who do you pick.. if its PTI for now.. then rest the case and hope for best. Perhaps get in touch with their personale to get your views accrossed but dont expect him to wholly accept your views, otherwise you might as well stand in his place.

isnt there just one islamic shariah? we all know the boundaries of tolerance and that JI or ghamidi don't make it inside. so why discuss them even? if they ask this question (and they do) that which shariah will you implement the answer is obvious: the actual one. then you go about to prove it why JI and ghamidi are utterly wrong.

i have got these views across. it was met with intolerance.
as for PTI being the best option in their present state in sha Allah i will write in detail negating this theory. but the answer below to brother user invalid should give you a hint.

[Karensmith]

Assalamualaikum,

So that means we let PPP carry on their work to destroy Pakistan?

Or is there any other better solution at this rate?

what issues do you have with what i proposed? do you not believe the islamic shariah is the best solution? and i say this as a fact not as an emotionl argument. why shouldn't PTI be made aware of what blunder they are making?

what is your top priority? pakistan or muslim ummah?
what if i told you strengthening of the former will be harmful to the latter?

either way PTI will be no better. for one you cannot defeat corruption without qata yad. and you cannot make the society islamic without tableegh and without a significant portion of school and college syllabus dedicated to actual islamic studies (and not 'islamiyat').
not found on PTI's manifesto.
every party does this to get into power: use the 'we haven't been tried before' charm.

you want some real ideas as to save pakistan and help the ummah then visit this thread.

[9TWSg835]

umeed peh duniya qa'im hai
umeed on bro!

(world runs on hope
hope on bro!)

Why put hope in a 'liberal' party when you have ttp to put your hopes in?

[RerRibreLok]

Why put hope in a 'liberal' party when you have ttp to put your hopes in?

havent seen ttp running for elections as yet.

besides my hopes are in Allah, whichever party brings it inshAllah.

[Karensmith]

havent seen ttp running for elections as yet.

i have my differences with their policies - but you gotta admit : they are on the dot about western democracy.

[numinertyuesk]

what issues do you have with what i proposed? do you not believe the islamic shariah is the best solution? and i say this as a fact not as an emotionl argument. why shouldn't PTI be made aware of what blunder they are making?

what is your top priority? pakistan or muslim ummah?
what if i told you strengthening of the former will be harmful to the latter?

either way PTI will be no better. for one you cannot defeat corruption without qata yad. and you cannot make the society islamic without tableegh and without a significant portion of school and college syllabus dedicated to actual islamic studies (and not 'islamiyat').
not found on PTI's manifesto.
every party does this to get into power: use the 'we haven't been tried before' charm.

you want some real ideas as to save pakistan and help the ummah then visit this thread.

Assalamualaikum,

I do not have any issues or something. What my point is that, a better party then PPP is needed, and solve the crisis in Pakistan, such as load shedding, drone strikes e.t.c

I do not have much knowledge in political field. But without having much of political knowledge, a person like me has to admit that atleast a better party should come and do something about it.

Just one more question, what do people think about Nawaz Sharif's party?

[qilmuz6v]

Brother

It takes time to implement the shariah, it cannot be done overnight at a flick of a switch. I do not believe in Democracy as a means of finding a solution to the ummahs problems. Maybe Imran Khan getting into power is a step in the direction closer and towards a riba free Pakistan. At the moment we are many steps behind...taking the steps in the right direction may take time but it is the best strategy.

i read this.
old PTI rhetoric: starts from his cricketing career, then his rediscovery of islam, the cancer hospital and now the portrayal of PTI as the enforcer of islamic law and the 'only way out from war on terror'

anybody who understands or knows why AQ and US are fighting in pakistan would know this is laughable. as for the assertion that he will stop drones: boys, drones arent the problem, the so-called sovereignty of pakistan isnt the problem. the problem is we have come too far and we betrayed the wrong people.

abu zakir i thought since you had shared it, this might contain info as to how PTI plans to replace riba-based and banking and paper currency in pakistan. all i got was the rhetoric of 'islamic welfare state'
i am disappointed.

[Karensmith]

Assalamualaikum,

I do not have any issues or something. What my point is that, a better party then PPP is needed, and solve the crisis in Pakistan, such as load shedding, drone strikes e.t.c

I do not have much knowledge in political field. But without having much of political knowledge, a person like me has to admit that atleast a better party should come and do something about it.

Just one more question, what do people think about Nawaz Sharif's party?

without political knowledge and background of pakistani politics how can you advocate one party over another?
do you know that maybe some decades back PPP was the PTI of today?

look: stopping drone strikes is a straw man used by various parties to reconcile with the tide of opinion in pakistan.
however as i said pakistan has gone too far in its support of US and betrayal of mujahideen. you just cannot stop drone strikes and expect AQ and US to play in some other country. i repeat: we are involved too deep. whichever party gives this slogan is either very deluded or very clever.

PML-N is very strong in punjab esp lahore. yet the doctor's strike hit them hard. one will have to see whether PTI has penetrated the middle and lower class as well or the tsunami lovers are all upper middle and elite class liberals. then again rallies are nothing. dont be charmed with them. thousands come to JI rallies - but JI hardly ever wins.
then also remember the basic intrinsic flaws in democracy itself and the election procedure (e.g how many people come to vote?). that further reduces the ability of a democratic party to actually implement what they promised. there is plenty of that on this forum that should tell you why western democracy is a flawed theory. there is a thread about it in in-depth fiqh section.

[Karensmith]

Brother

It takes time to implement the shariah, it cannot be done overnight at a flick of a switch. I do not believe in Democracy as a means of finding a solution to the ummahs problems. Maybe Imran Khan getting into power is a step in the direction closer and towards a riba free Pakistan. At the moment we are many steps behind...taking the steps in the right direction may take time but it is the best strategy.

how is it the best strategy?
how can you say PTI will take steps to make pakistan riba free and how will they do it?you realize PTI is a party and IK is one man. how do you trust his judgement? on the cancer hospital?the world cup?
im not convinced by their rhetoric or their false 'gradualism'. i already explained the latter below.

or are you suggesting PTI can be used to 'prepare the ground'? that is im afraid again not practical because of the wargame in pakistan.

[qilmuz6v]

The Murabitun think he is a good person, I am only repeating what they have said. I trust their judgement I am not really an expert myself.

how is it the best strategy?
how can you say PTI will take steps to make pakistan riba free and how will they do it?you realize PTI is a party and IK is one man. how do you trust his judgement? on the cancer hospital?the world cup?
im not convinced by their rhetoric or their false 'gradualism'. i already explained the latter below.

or are you suggesting PTI can be used to 'prepare the ground'? that is im afraid again not practical because of the wargame in pakistan.

[Karensmith]

The Murabitun think he is a good person, I am only repeating what they have said. I trust their judgement I am not really an expert myself.

i also think he is a good person. so is dr. mursi...but i also think they are incorrect in their methodology.
PTI puts a lot of emphasis on trusting his judgement and liking his personality. you should see the cheap efforts they do to derive similarities in life between him and jinnah. someone even morphed their pics together like in terminator 2 : p.
then again with the calibre of other politicians he does come out without a 'scandal'. but then again how does that make him a good administrator of shariah law?
bottomline: don't fall for it.
can you share what the Murabitun say about him?

[ValintinoV]

The following are some of the issues that can make a person doubt the tsunami (at least me):

1. Imran Khan, since day one has spoken against corruption, mafias, feudal lords and believes in leading the middle class youth towards a revolution. He has criticized politicians from all parties. He is an advocate for change yet he has inducted the same kind of people from other parties to bolster his political footing. Can you bring a change by recruiting corrupt lotay (a term used for disloyal people)

2 A student asked Imran Khan that why was he inducting the same old faces in his party to which he replied :" We run them through a cleaning plant", the student then replied " Is that cleaning plant in Rawalpindi?", Imran Khan laughed it off.

3 After the unfortunate incident of May 02 2012, when Osama Bin Laden was killed, Nawaz Sharif, who was a pro-military politician prior to the military coup of 1999, came down hard on the military establishment. He criticized the formation of the commission that was to probe the incident, and generally asked those questions that no one dare ask the military and security agencies. A few months later, Imran khan met with General Pasha, the protests against the drones started, politicians from all over the country started answering the call of their conscience and joined the PTI. Suddenly Imran Khan aimed all his guns at the Sharif brothers and the first tsunami came in Lahore. He had been doing Zardari and corruption and NRO all these years, but all that passion now was against the sharif brothers. In the long run he is going to break the power of the shareef brothers in the Punjab and the ANP in Pukhtoonkhwa. There are some big question marks here.

4 He has not said too much about the missing persons case, a pressing issue on the resolution of which, somewhat depends the future of the state of Pakistan

5 Seeing how thing works in Pakistan, and the manner of the rise of Imran Khan and the circumstances preceding it, I do suspect that Rawalpindi is behind him and that can be anything but good.

Like I said, you need someone independant to bring a change, and I doubt that Imran khan is one.

[Karensmith]

a question for IK supporters:

- the liberal supporters of PTI would want the Blasphemy Law to be scrapped - they are the kind who light candles at the 'anniversary' of salman taseer's killing.

will he scrap it? or will he give it in the hands of the ulema as mufti naeem suggested?

but the liberals blame the ulema for the blasphemy 'lynchings'.

[Karensmith]

The following are some of the issues that can make a person doubt the tsunami (at least me):

1. Imran Khan, since day one has spoken against corruption, mafias, feudal lords and believes in leading the middle class youth towards a revolution. He has criticized politicians from all parties. He is an advocate for change yet he has inducted the same kind of people from other parties to bolster his political footing. Can you bring a change by recruiting corrupt lotay (a term used for disloyal people)

2 A student asked Imran Khan that why was he inducting the same old faces in his party to which he replied :" We run them through a cleaning plant", the student then replied " Is that cleaning plant in Rawalpindi?", Imran Khan laughed it off.

3 After the unfortunate incident of May 02 2012, when Osama Bin Laden was killed, Nawaz Sharif, who was a pro-military politician prior to the military coup of 1999, came down hard on the military establishment. He criticized the formation of the commission that was to probe the incident, and generally asked those questions that no one dare ask the military and security agencies. A few months later, Imran khan met with General Pasha, the protests against the drones started, politicians from all over the country started answering the call of their conscience and joined the PTI. Suddenly Imran Khan aimed all his guns at the Sharif brothers and the first tsunami came in Lahore. He had been doing Zardari and corruption and NRO all these years, but all that passion now was against the sharif brothers. In the long run he is going to break the power of the shareef brothers in the Punjab and the ANP in Pukhtoonkhwa. There are some big question marks here.

4 He has not said too much about the missing persons case, a pressing issue on the resolution of which, somewhat depends the future of the state of Pakistan

5 Seeing how thing works in Pakistan, and the manner of the rise of Imran Khan and the circumstances preceding it, I do suspect that Rawalpindi is behind him and that can be anything but good.

Like I said, you need someone independant to bring a change, and I doubt that Imran khan is one.

if your last point is true. we are in for one heckuva ride.remember pak army=US

[ValintinoV]

if your last point is true. we are in for one heckuva ride.remember pak army=US

nah man, seeing whats being revealed these days, and what many people have held all these years, Pak army= Aisi fauj jis ke kiblay ka kuch nahi pata chalta, but this needs explaining which I am too tired to do so plz dont argue with me...

[ValintinoV]

and just for fun my little prediction: Imran khan is not going to get more than 40 seats in the national assembly. And he will get 40 only if the middle class bothers to go the polling stations on election day, something no one can be sure about.

[Karensmith]

nah man, seeing whats being revealed these days, and what many people have held all these years, Pak army= Aisi fauj jis ke kiblay ka kuch nahi pata chalta, but this needs explaining which I am too tired to do so plz dont argue with me...

don't contend that : p

[AcecePesFeacy]

Loved brother mh16388's posts on this thread. Keep it up bro! I need your email so that we may sort the ttp issue

[Karensmith]

Loved brother mh16388's posts on this thread. Keep it up bro! I need your email so that we may sort the ttp issue

you know my email : p

[AcecePesFeacy]

Yes I know it through your blog.