[dalnecymync]

May I ask untill what time we pray tonight, is it untill fajr namaaz?

Also is it true that on this night, leaves fall off a tree to determine who is going to die in the coming year? I have done some reading about Shab E Barat and only found that it is the night where Allah (swt) forgives the believers. Please forgive my ignorance, I'm still learning inshallah, and have been recieving loads of txts about this being the night when your leaf may fall and this yr may be our/your last. I asked my dad and he said he's never heard that and it makes no sense to him, because why would Allah (swt) need to shake leaves off a tree to decide who will die, as he is all-knowing.

The leaf falling thing is not true.

But its true that its the night of forgiveness, so make istighfar. Best dua for istighfar: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-and-Magrib%29

[Imiweevierm]

Sorry, but I thought shab-e-barat was bidah?

Praise be to Allaah.

Some Muslims celebrate the middle of Sha‘baan, fasting on that day and spending that night in prayer (qiyaam). There is a hadeeth concerning that which is not saheeh, hence the scholars regarded celebrating this day as an innovation (bid ‘ah).

Muhammad ‘Abd al-Salaam al-Shuqayri said: Imam al-Fatni said in Tadhkirat al-Mawdoo‘aat: Among the innovations that have been introduced on “Laylat an-Nusf” (mid-Sha‘baan) is al-Salaat al-Alfiyyah, which is one hundred rak‘ahs in which Soorat al-Ikhlaas is recited ten times in each rak‘ah, offered in congregation; they pay more attention to this than to Jumu‘ah and Eid prayers, although there is no report concerning it, except da‘eef (weak) and mawdoo‘ (fabricated) reports, and we should not be deceived by the fact that these reports were quoted by the authors of al-Qoot and al-Ihya’ and others, nor should we be deceived by what was mentioned in Tafseer al-Tha‘labi, that it is Laylat al-Qadr. End quote.

Al-‘Iraaqi said: The hadeeth about the prayer on Laylat al-Nisf (mid-Sha‘baan) is false. Ibn al-Jawzi narrated it in al-Mawdoo‘aat (which is a compilation of fabricated hadeeths):

Chapter on the hadeeth, prayer and supplication on Laylat al-Nisf:

The hadeeth, “When the night of ‘nisf Sha‘baan’ (mid-Sha‘baan) comes, spend the night in prayer and fast on that day” was narrated by Ibn Maajah from ‘Ali. Muhashiyyah said: (It was also narrated) in al-Zawaa’id. Its isnaad is da‘eef (weak) because of the weakness of Ibn Abi Basrah, of whom Ahmad and Ibn Ma‘een said: He fabricates hadeeth. End quote.

Praying six rak‘ahs on Laylat al-Nisf with the intention of warding off calamity, having a long life and being independent of people, and reciting Ya-Seen and offering du‘aa’ in between that -- there is no doubt that this is something that has been introduced into the religion and is contrary to the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). The commentator on al-Ihya’ said: This prayer is well known in the books of later Sufi masters, but I have not seen any saheeh report in the Sunnah to support it and the connected du‘aa’. Rather this is the action of some shaykhs. Our companions said: It is makrooh to gather on any of the nights mentioned in the mosques or elsewhere. Al-Najm al-Ghayti said, describing spending the night of al-Nisf min Sh‘baan (mid-Sha‘baan) praying in congregation: That was denounced by most of the scholars of the Hijaz, including ‘Ata’ and Ibn Abi Mulaykah, the fuqaha’ of Madinah and the companions of Maalik. They said: All of that is an innovation (bid‘ah) and there is no report to suggest that the Prophet spent that night in praying in congregation or that his Companions did that either. Al-Nawawi said: The prayers of Rajab and Sha‘baan are two reprehensible innovations. End quote from al-Sunan wa’l-Mubtada‘aat, p. 144

Al-Fatni (may Allah have mercy on him) said, after the comments quoted above: The common folk are so infatuated with this prayer that they stored up a lot of fuel for it and many evils resulted from it, and many transgressions are committed which we do no need to describe. (It is so bad that) the close friends of Allah feared His punishment and fled into the wilderness. The first time this prayer occurred was in Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) in 448 AH. Zayd ibn Aslam said: We never saw any of our shaykhs or fuqaha’ saying that Laylat al-Baraa’ah (15 Sha‘baan) had any superiority over other nights. Ibn Dihyah said: The hadeeths about the prayer on Laylat al-Baraa’ah are fabricated and one has an interruption in the isnaad. Anyone who acts upon a report which is known to be false is a servant of the Shaytaan.

End quote from Tadhkirat al-Mawdoo‘aat by al-Fatni, p. 45

See: al-Mawdoo‘aat by Ibn al-Jawzi, 2/127; al-Manaar al-Muneef fil Saheeh wa’l-Da‘eef by Ibn al-Qayyim, p. 98; al-Fawaa’id al-Majmoo‘ah by al-Shawkaani, p. 51

Some people use the word al-Sha‘baaniyyah to refer to the last days of Sha‘baan, and say, “These are the days of bidding farewell to food,” and they take advantage of these days to eat a lot before Ramadan begins. Some scholars say that this idea was originally taken from the Christians, who used to do that as their fasting period (Lent) approached.

To sum up, there is no celebration in Sha‘baan and there is no special act of worship to be performed in the middle of it or during the last days of the month. Doing that is an innovation that has been introduced into the religion.

And Allah knows best. Shaykh Ibn Fowzaan , another great islamic scholar has to say this about the night:

“Nothing firm and reliable has been established on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) that he stood in prayer in the night and fasted during the day of the 15th of Sha'baan. So the night of the 15th of Sha'baan is like any other night, and if someone is a regular worshipper during other nights, then he may stand the night in prayer on this night without assuming anything special (because of it being the night of the 15th of Sha'baan).” [Noorun alad-Darb Fataawa Shaykh Saalih Ibn Fowzaan - Volume 1, Page 87] Tackling the same issue, the well-known Saudi scholar, Sheikh ibn `Uthaymeen, adds:

“What is correct is that fasting on the 15th of Sha`ban or specifying it with reciting (the Qur'an) or making (particular) supplications on that day has no basis. So that day is like any other 15th day of other months. Something that is clear is that it has been made permissible for a person to fast on the 13th, 14th, and 15th of every month. However, Sha`ban is somehow special (except for Ramadan) in the sense that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to fast more in the month of Sha`ban than any other month. So he used to either fast all of Sha`ban or just a little. http://therealislam1.wordpress.com/2...ing-or-biddah/

[EmpokemyMok]

It is not a bid'ah, though some may commit a lot of bid'ahs during it.

Google for Mufti Taqi 'Uthmani's article on it and read this issue on SeekersGuidance.org.

[Imiweevierm]

It is not a bid'ah, though some may commit a lot of bid'ahs during it.

Google for Mufti Taqi 'Uthmani's article on it and read this issue on SeekersGuidance.org.

Sorry, but im pretty sure it is. All Ahadeeth on it are weak. Only people in South Asia celebrate it. No other Muslims countries even know about it.
Shaban is a blessed month, there's no blessed night except for Layltul Qadr.

Could find seekers guidance article. Link?

[shumozar]

Sorry, but im pretty sure it is. All Ahadeeth on it are weak. Only people in South Asia celebrate it. No other Muslims countries even know about it.
Shaban is a blessed month, there's no blessed night except for Layltul Qadr.

Could find seekers guidance article. Link?

Who said worshipping on this night is only done by South Asians?

Have you travelled? Arabian Peninsula? East Africa?

Even if all Ahadith on it are weak their collective strength makes it strong, this was noted by even Salafi Scholars like al-Albani and al-Mubrakfuri, Ibn Taymiyyah himself said the Salaf used to worship on this night.

Im sure you must have read articles for it? or are you completely oblivious to them?

[FalHaitle]

In the night some brothers go to Qabrstan as well.

[Imiweevierm]

Who said worshipping on this night is only done by South Asians?

Have you travelled? Arabian Peninsula? East Africa?

Even if all Ahadith on it are weak their collective strength makes it strong, this was noted by even Salafi Scholars like al-Albani and al-Mubrakfuri, Ibn Taymiyyah himself said the Salaf used to worship on this night.

Im sure you must have read articles for it? or are you completely oblivious to them?

Brother, if you want to celebrate this night then fine. But there's a strong view that this night is bid'ah. Why would you celebrate a night which has so much doubts surrounding it? Its safer to leave matter of doubt. I personally believe its a bid'ah because there's a lot of evidence that support this view.

[Uzezqelj]

Virtues of the month of Sha’ban In Light Of Our Beloved saying

[shumozar]

Brother, if you want to celebrate this night then fine. But there's a strong view that this night is bid'ah. Why would you celebrate a night which has so much doubts surrounding it? Its safer to leave matter of doubt. I personally believe its a bid'ah because there's a lot of evidence that support this view.

If i want to celebrate?

[1] You made an unsubstantiated claim that doing Ibadah on this night was exclusive to South Asians

[2] You said all the ahadith are weak, but i have said even "Salafi" Scholars have authenticated them, no response!

[3] Now you say there are doubts surrounding these narrations, when it is al-Albani himself who said there was no doubt that the narrations are authentic on the various routes.

[4] You also state the "stronger view", what substance have you got for this? i can tell you that the majority view is that is allowed to worship on this night (the four Schools and even some from the "fifth" Salafi School)! So who's view is stronger?

[5] This is not a matter of doubt i.e. to make haram and halal, rather this is a matter of Fadha'il, and majority of the 'Ulama encourage acting on weak ahadith for virtuous deeds generally, so which Usool have you invented?

[6] Lots of evidence to support it's bid'ah? oh you going to quote the Salafi Scholars and those Radd on the hundred rak'ats with Surah al-Ikhlas? talk about deja vu.

[dalnecymync]

Sorry, but im pretty sure it is. All Ahadeeth on it are weak. Only people in South Asia celebrate it. No other Muslims countries even know about it.
Shaban is a blessed month, there's no blessed night except for Layltul Qadr.

Could find seekers guidance article. Link?

I guess you know more than the hundreds of ulema who deemed it to be a blessed night. There is also a hadith that mentions that our beloved Rasoolullah went to Jannatul Baqi(graveyard in Madina), Mufti Taqi Usmani mentions it. What is bidah is the 'ceberation' part. But it is valid to make more ibadah in this blessed night.

Iqra: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...tul-Bara-ah%29

[Imiweevierm]

I guess you know more than the hundreds of ulema who deemed it to be a blessed night. There is also a hadith that mentions that our beloved Rasoolullah went to Jannatul Baqi(graveyard in Madina), Mufti Taqi Usmani mentions it. What is bidah is the 'ceberation' part. But it is valid to make more ibadah in this blessed night.

Iqra: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...tul-Bara-ah%29

Brother, I never said I know more than scholars. The scholars who said its a blessed night may be right, thats their stance. But there are also many scholars who say its a complete bid'ah, and good amount of evidence for it. I will not celebrate a night surrounded by so much controversy and debate and doubts. Anyway, your freedom, celebrate it if you like akhi.

[Imiweevierm]

as expected, my thread on Shab-e-barat being bidah has been deleted. *sigh*

[Qutlsilh]

There is no need for another thread on the subject which will incite arguments.

As for what you have posted, IslamQA is a salafi website. For someone who follows a mazhab, I would suggest they do not visit that site.

[Imiweevierm]

There is no need for another thread on the subject which will incite arguments.

sister, I wasn't trying to incite arguments, In fact, in my first post I said I didn't want any debates, and I spoke with adab and a light tone in every post. I just felt it necessary to present other views on the topic.

But anyway, if you feel deleting it was necessary, then thats fine, I wont rebel against the Mods

[Imiweevierm]

As for what you have posted, IslamQA is a salafi website. For someone who follows a mazhab, I would suggest they do not visit that site.

Didn't know it was salafi. Thanks for informing me. Im still sticking with my stance though.

[Qutlsilh]

Your intentions may have been correct, but after 6 years of modding I can tell you that 95% of the time such threads end up in arguments.

As for your stance, that is fine for yourself. However I am sure you can understand that people will contest it, since they have the backing of valid Ulama like br AbuFatimah's post quoting Mufti Taqi Usmani saheb.

Although the chain of narrators of some of these traditions suffers with some minor technical defects, yet when all these traditions are combined together, it becomes clear that this night has some well founded merits, and observing this night as a sacred night is not a baseless concoction as envisaged by some modern scholars who, on the basis of these minor defects, have totally rejected to give any special importance to this night. In fact, some of these traditions have been held by some scholars of hadith as authentic and the defects in the chain of some others have been treated by them as minor technical defects which, according to the science of hadith, are curable by the variety of their ways of narration. That is why the elders of the ummah have constantly been observing this night as a night of special merits and have been spending it in worship and prayers. Nevertheless, it is nafl acts. If one does, good for them. If one does not, the same.

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Here is another opinion of Moulana Muhammad Abbassommar, a hadith specialist.


There are many Ahaadith that have been narrated on the virtue of the 15th of Sha’baan. One of them is the narration of Sayyiduna Mu’aadh ibn Jabal (Radhiallaahu Anhu) that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Allah Ta’ala turns to his entire creation on the fifteenth night of Sha’baan and forgives all of them except one who ascribes partners to Him and one who harbours enmity in his heart.’ (This Hadith has been recorded by Imaam Tabrani in his Mu’jamul Awsat Hadith6776 and Mu’jamul Kabeer vol.20 pg.108-109)

Imaam ibn Hibbaan (RA) has classified this narration as Sahih (authentic) and has included it in his book – al-Saheeh. (see Sahih ibn Hibbaan vol.12 pg.482; Hadith5665). Hafiz al-Haythami (RA) has mentioned that all the narrators of this Hadith are reliable. (Majma-uz-zawaaid vol.8 pg.65)

Besides this narration classified as Saheeb by Imaam ibn Hibbaan, there is another classified as sound by Haafiz al-Munzhiri (RA) in his al-Targheeb (vol.3 pg.459). This narration is of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and is recorded by Imaam Bazzaar (RA) in his Musnad. In fact, Hafiz ibn Hajar (RA) has also classified one of its chains as Hasan (sound). (al-Amaalil mutlaqah pgs.119-120)

Besides the above, there are many other Sahaaba (Radhiallaahu Anhum) that narrated Ahaadith regarding the merit of this night, such as: Abu Hurayra (Musnad al-Bazzaar), Abu Tha’labah (Shu’ubul Imaan), Awf ibn Maalik (Musnad al-Bazzaar), Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Musnad Ahmad Hadith6642), Abu Moosa al-Ash’ari (ibn Majah Hadith1390; Shu’ubul Imaan Hadith3833) and others. The collective strength of these narrations cannot be refuted.

The general virtue of this night has been accepted by many great Ulama of the past. From among many great scholars which have agreed to the virtue of this night are: Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz, Imaam al-Shaafi’ee, Imaam al-Awzaa’ie, Attaa ibn Yassaar, Imaam al-Majd ibn Abdul-Aziz, ibn Rajab al-Hanbaliy and Hafiz Zaynu-ddeen al-Iraaqiy (Rahmatullaahi alayhim) – refer Laylatul Ma’aarif of Hafiz ibn Rajab pgs.263-264 and Faydhul Qadeer vol.2 pg.317

In fact, Hafiz Ahmad ibn Taymiyah has said, ‘As for the middle night of Sha’baan, there are various narrations that have been narrated regarding its significance and it has been reported from a group of the Salaf (predecessors) that they performed Salaat in it individually, hence, such a deed cannot be disputed.’ (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa ibn Taymiyah vol.23 pg.132)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Ml. Muhammad ibn Moulana Haroon Abassommar
FACULTY OF SPECIALTY IN HADITH SCIENCES

CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai (Fatwa Department)

[Imiweevierm]

As for your stance, that is fine for yourself. However I am sure you can understand that people will contest it, since they have the backing of valid Ulama like br AbuFatimah's post quoting Mufti Taqi Usmani saheb.

Nevertheless, it is nafl acts. If one does, good for them. If one does not, the same.

Yes, but its the whole "enjoin good forbid evil" concept. If I think something is evil (especially when theres evidence) should I not warn people about it?

anyway, JazakAllah sister sudoku, you did good by deleting the thread.

[nAKMzyBN]

Yes, but its the whole "enjoin good forbid evil" concept. If I think something is evil (especially when theres evidence) should I not warn people about it?

anyway, JazakAllah sister sudoku, you did good by deleting the thread.

We are laymen and that is the issue to be discussed by scholars and many reputed scholars have allowed it clearly. Now opposing the view of such reputed scholars by saying it as stopping the evil is not acceptable from layman side. We cannot behave like scholars to argue such things. So let us leave it here.

[Imiweevierm]

edit:

Here is another opinion of Moulana Muhammad Abbassommar, a hadith specialist.

Sister, I also presented plenty of evidence on my other thread. There's plenty of evidence refuting the authenticity of 15th shaban. Its a controversial and doubtful matter, therefore Its better to leave it and not celebrate it.

[Imiweevierm]

We are laymen and that is the issue to be discussed by scholars and many reputed scholars have allowed it clearly. Now opposing the view of such reputed scholars by saying it as stopping the evil is not acceptable from layman side. We cannot behave like scholars to argue such things. So let us leave it here.

There are many reputed scholars who oppose 15th of shaban. Have you read the other side? But, as you said, let us leave it.