[espenijij]

A very interesting documentary revealing a hidden and truly enlightened side to one of the greatest minds that western civilisation has known. His deep study of science led him to a firm conclusion that there is a Creator and based on his study of early Christian history, he was convinced that the concept of The Trinity was a falsification of the pure message of monotheism that Jesus preached.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2DWBjyVfNU

BBC - 'Newton: The Dark Heretic'
Aired 2003
'Heretic' in the sense that he disbelieved in the concept of the Trinity.

A very interesting documentary revealing a hidden and truly enlightened side to one of the greatest minds that western civilisation has known. His deep study of science led him to a firm conclusion that there is a Creator and based on his study of early Christian history, he was convinced that the concept of The Trinity was a falsification of the pure message of monotheism that Jesus preached.

Newton vehemently rejected the corruption of the Christian establishment and the innovation that is the divinity of Jesus, his belief was the revealed God is one God. During his life he was forced to keep this belief secret for fear of being labelled a heretic and after his death this information was carefully suppressed.

The documentary also highlights the point that in the absence of study of the final divine revelation no matter how great the mind the knowledge of the unseen can not be deciphered as is illustrated by the fact that Newton spirals into a hopeless search for the truth by vigoursly engaging in the art of alchemy!

[2swasseneons]

I always found Issac Newton's story interesting.

[RorieSorNearop]

For westerners any scientist who opposed the Church was an intellectual thus anti-religion. At least that's what most people believe in 'strong secular' western countries.

[addisonnicogel]

Thanks a lot for starting a thread on an interesting topic. After a quick Google search , I found the following great quotes.

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http://faithwellgrounded.org/apologe...on-creationist
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" For instance, I'll be quoting about Newton from "The Soul of Science", pg 72, quotes cited in original.

Yet Newton himself was neither a deist nor a rationalist. He saw in the mechanical order of the world evidence for something *beyond* the mechanical world-- a living and intelligent Creator. In *General Scholium*, he argues that

"this most beautiful system of sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."

And in *Optiks*, he writes that the business of science is to "deduce causes from effects, till we come to the very first cause, which certainly is not mechanical." In Newton's eyes, the major benefit of science is religious and moral. It shows us "what is the first cause, what power he has over us, and what benefits we receive from him," so that "our duty towards him, as well as that towards one another will appear to us by the light of nature."

Moreover, the motive for much of Newton's scientific work was apologetical, a fact widely recognized in his own day. Roger Cotes, in his preface to the second edition of Newton's *Principia*, wrote that the book "will be the safest protection against the attacks of atheists, and nowhere more surely than from this quiver can one draw missiles against the band of godless men."

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I am wondering how in the western universities science and engineering graduates turn towards atheism , while they admire Newton a lot. Any idea ?

[espenijij]

Please share this video with others

Thanks

[lammaredder]

mashAllah great thread. I added it to my subscriptions as Im very interested in this topic

[lammaredder]

inshAllah im gonna make a blog on this topic

[IdomeoreTew]

Guys, he was still a Christian, as in, he still believed that Jesus was the key to Salvation. And there are plenty of non-trinitarian sects in Christianity even today.

So there's nothing "mashAllah" about it.

[ManHolDenPoker]

Guys, he was still a Christian, as in, he still believed that Jesus was the key to Salvation. And there are plenty of non-trinitarian sects in Christianity even today.

So there's nothing "mashAllah" about it.

this is contradiction, it seem. Newton has written 12 articles -
how should be then understood :
Artic. 10. It is not necessary to salvation to direct our prayers to any other then the father in the name of the son. ?

He clearly stated the Isa as a way and not a destination

[IdomeoreTew]

this is contradiction, it seem. Newton has written 12 articles -
how should be then understood :
Artic. 10. It is not necessary to salvation to direct our prayers to any other then the father in the name of the son. ?

He clearly stated the Isa as a way and not a destination

Ok, but he still defined himself as a Christian. He had no inclination towards Islam whatsoever. People are getting excited for no reason.

[anenselog]

So who is signing up for inviting all the Newtons (and Einsteins) of the day to Islam?

[ManHolDenPoker]

Ok, but he still defined himself as a Christian. He had no inclination towards Islam whatsoever. People are getting excited for no reason.

OK, he did not recognize Muhammad PBUH and he probably believed that Isa died on cross. Anyway it is remarkable that he admitted Christianity and system being corrupted. Evenly, it is difficult to imagine that in that time atmosphere he would declare himself muslim, he might be pretty persecuted.

[IdomeoreTew]

So who is signing up for inviting all the Newtons (and Einsteins) of the day to Islam?

You mean people like Richard Dawkins? Yeah, he'll accept Islam, for sure.....

[ManHolDenPoker]

You mean people like Richard Dawkins? Yeah, he'll accept Islam, for sure.....

Dawkins also changes, now he declares himself agnostic and not atheist

[IdomeoreTew]

Dawkins also changes, now he declares himself agnostic and not atheist

First atheist, now agnostic, at least he's moving closer to the truth.

[anenselog]

You mean people like Richard Dawkins? Yeah, he'll accept Islam, for sure.....

I usually do not get ideas to invite atheists.
And a lot of scientists are not atheists. The trouble is that atheists dominate the discourse and this gives the impression that all of them are atheists.

So the field of Dawah is open for scientists too.

[Gosxjqum]

Ok, but he still defined himself as a Christian. He had no inclination towards Islam whatsoever. People are getting excited for no reason.

does the Quran not refer to the believing Christian and the believing Jew and the believing Sabian ?

Does the Quran not say no one is accountable till they recieve the message. ?

Is unitarianism not an inclination towards monotheism ?

Is Islam not monotheism ?

Given the lack of access to Islamic material, or any muslims, and the threat of a excommunication or heresy, i think he deserves a Mashallah ?

[wrardymar]

does the Quran not refer to the believing Christian and the believing Jew and the believing Sabian ?

bro. Will post the tafseer of that Ayah in a moment

[Gosxjqum]

bro. Will post the tafseer of that Ayah in a moment

will you also post confirmation that he recieved the message of Islam, in its correct manner, too akhi

The Quran does say that no one is accountable till they recieve the message.

I dont like to read hearts, i think its best to think best of people, unless proven otherwise ?

[wrardymar]

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