[Innockcroff]

This assertion is trivial to us Muslims only.
The rest of the world fears to accept this.
May be we are to be blamed for that but that is not the point of this thread.
Let us take up the task of asserting that Islam is indeed legitimate faith and belief, that it is legitimate way of life and that it is a legitimate ideology.
We have to assert this before those individuals, groups, societies, nations and media who either do not accept it or pay mere lip service.
These could be Muslims, unfortunately, but mostly these are non-Muslims.

Personally I feel that this trivial assertion has enormous potential.
And I do feel that this is a just and lawful assertion.

Let us begin with the first step in that direction. Here is a report:
MINIAPOLIS, May 06: The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was pained to know that the majority of Bangladeshis consider America as an anti-Muslim country. A survey conducted by the US embassy in Dhaka revealed this. This was reported by media in America. Bangladesh officially is a secular country. Now first of all a question.
Does being secular mean that you can not raise questions as a Muslim?
It is clear that the reporter is very cautious to state the plain truth.
And once stated, or as it came out in a poll, the truth did rattle Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[ManHolDenPoker]

salam alikum,
it is all about coexistence of muslims and not muslims. Seems muslims have it clear how to coexist with non-musims, non-mulims live in extreme fear that thay will be oppressed under islamic rule.

[Innockcroff]

salam alikum,
it is all about coexistence of muslims and not muslims. Seems muslims have it clear how to coexist with non-musims, non-mulims live in extreme fear that thay will be oppressed under islamic rule.

I do not think so sister.
It is about the terms of co-existence.
So far the terms have been dictated by the colonial powers.
Now the question is whether we can slip in some of our terms also or not.

[ManHolDenPoker]

I do not think so sister.
It is about the terms of co-existence.
So far the terms have been dictated by the colonial powers.
Now the question is whether we can slip in some of our terms also or not.

salam alikum.
this is what I thought too

we do not live under our rules, we live under western rules, which is mix of christian heritage and secular/atheistic ideology.
Therefore to implement western measurement of succes on us is irrelevant.

To set the terms of co-existence - where to start... when every single offered idea is automatically reduced to zero? What ever we ofer to west claiming - it is islamic rule - even it would be the best rule - is automatically refused

[Innockcroff]

Here yet another RT report.

Usually people think that RT uses anti-US analysts who are second rate. This misses the point.

RT does capture some reality that does not get registered on US or pro-US radars.

The link above also has the transcript but the video is better to get the gist quickly with minimal effort.

The point is again the same.
MI-5 is crying wolf again. Al-Qaeda is coming, Al-Qaeda is coming.
And yours truly asserts that there is no Al-Qaeda, there never was.
Some Muslims might have started using the term after it was coined and circulated by the US powerful media mechanism but it is incumbent upon us Muslims not to aid any mechanism that goes against our own interests.

Al Qaeda is a fictitious term coined to suppress Islamic sentiments in Muslim world and that is how we should take it. Of course there should be some one to speak on behalf of Islam and Muslims but more importantly US should noy be given the walk over in which they talk for both - themselves as well as Islam. And that is what is happening. The reporter is working for RT, the expert is from Europe and they are all talking US talk.

[ManHolDenPoker]

Is this RT reliable?
I noticed they have interesting reportages and interviews, often different from common west-style

w alikum assalam

[Innockcroff]

Is this RT reliable?
I noticed they have interesting reportages and interviews, often different from common west-style

w alikum assalam

The world will not consider them reliable for now.
When the tide turns in favour of Islam then they will overnight become reliable.

[NeroASERCH]

Not only is 'Islam is Legitimate' something that needs communicating to the non-Muslims, but 'Islam Works' is one that needs communicating to the Muslims (meaning Islam is the best map for life and if you apply Islam properly from a governmental position it solves many existing human problems).

[Innockcroff]

Not only is 'Islam is Legitimate' something that needs communicating to the non-Muslims, but 'Islam Works' is one that needs communicating to the Muslims (meaning Islam is the best map for life and if you apply Islam properly from a governmental position it solves many existing human problems).

Good point akhi.
I hope you can make a case for that. I shall request you to do that. You know every idea has to be developed.
And we have to do everything ourselves - nothing happens on its own.
And there is no power and strength and force except from Allah (SWT).

[HonjUopu]

The truest thing that was ever said was from the poet Labid, Prophet peace be upon him said;

Everything except Allah is False. Only things in the universe that dont submit in Islam, are the disbelieving mankind and jinn.

For everything else in the universe, Islam is legitimate.

[MikeGotTalentz]

just a little off-topic plz: As far as I know Labid was the poet who was involved in performing magic against Huzoor , here bro Equalizer says that he was the favorite poet of Huzoor , can someone explain..

[HonjUopu]

just a little off-topic plz: As far as I know Labid was the poet who was involved in performing magic against Huzoor , here bro Equalizer says that he was the favorite poet of Huzoor , can someone explain..

Yes favourite saying from the poet Labid, not favourite poet - ill change it

jazakallah akhi

[nikolapegayyyaasss]

Al Qaeda is a fictitious term coined to suppress Islamic sentiments in Muslim world and that is how we should take it. Of course there should be some one to speak on behalf of Islam and Muslims but more importantly US should noy be given the walk over in which they talk for both - themselves as well as Islam. And that is what is happening. The reporter is working for RT, the expert is from Europe and they are all talking US talk.

Do you really think Al-Qaeda is fictitious? Can you support the claim?

[sigrekatonov]

Without Leadership and the assertion of power, Islam is just another religion...you can talk all day about its benefits but they are just words...we need leadership which will have power which will apply Islam where it is not theory but actual action. And trying to reform Islam so it is modern and part of the Capitalist world order is not the answer either.

[gennnniiikk]

if sir maripat wishes to answer about al qaeda i suggest he do it on another thread. otherwise this excellent one will get closed.
p.s i am curious too to know the answer to what ak-1990 asked.

but then again discussions on al qaeda are banned.
maripat 2 aligarh? : p

[nikolapegayyyaasss]

if sir maripat wishes to answer about al qaeda i suggest he do it on another thread. otherwise this excellent one will get closed.
p.s i am curious too to know the answer to what ak-1990 asked.

but then again discussions on al qaeda are banned.
maripat 2 aligarh? : p

I am afraid of that too. I have become really cautious of this fact . Though I fail every time

[Innockcroff]

@mh16388
a2b : Both a and b are locations.

******

US is a country that makes a lot of noise about democracy and transparency, international law and human rights.

In view of that they can not attack any random country at their wish.
Because everybody will point out to them the fallacy of their actions with respect to their their philosophy of justice.
So what do they do?
Every country they take action against they cook up some excuse.
Example? O Saddam Husain is making WMDs so let us nip him in the bud.
And this is only one example.
Every society has got inner disagreements and you can inject little bit of money into one of the many groups and it will end up doing some thing stupid.
Then others will legitimately call for US help.
And US will generously come to their help.
This Keynesian technique is quite common in legal circles so please do not think of it as a far fetched figment of imagination.
And CIA is all about this type of things only.
I had seen a few years ago a paragraph of CIA website that they do take operations in foreign countries.

So now let us see the situation just after 9/11.
Irrespective of the fact whether OBL did it or not we has the following situation - US wants to take action against him.

Now you can not invade a sovereign country to tackle a single person, however dangerous in their own words.
So what do you do? You create a big enemy, in the minds of the people, so that people find massive military action justifiable.

No conspiracy theory here - just plain strategy. And did this strategy work?
Yes, like a charm. Even Aiman Al-Jawahiri and other started talking about Al-Qaeda.
And after that you do not need any strategy - the script writes itself.

My point is that it will be very foolish for us Muslims to accept that there was any organized group called Al-Qaeda for there was none to begin with. We should resist the temptation to use this term - even if it makes it easy to talk about the recent events of history. The reason is simple we have much more to loose as compared to the linguistic ease that a new technical term provides us. It is like this - you seek Allah (SWT)'s forgiveness when you repeat some one else's dubious statement.

So since there is a visible tussle between Islam and Muslims on one hand and the most powerful forces of the times ( and they too exist because Allah (SWT) has permitted them) on the other hand we should be utmost careful about helping our detractors.

I hope this clarifies the matter.

If yes then can we turn back to the topic - how to assert that Islam is legitimate?

My simple suggestion is that we start uttering this statement to any and every western person as well as the Macaulian brothers and sisters amongst us who try to fit Islam in western scheme of things. No, no Islam has not such purpose. Islam is the Deen of Allah (SWT) and it stands on its own with out any crutches.

[HonjUopu]

Brother Maripat is correct.

The very fact this term is popularised in media should make you highly suspicious of its application and meaning.

Islam is legitimate, as the powers of the world, that are most anti the rule of God, are waging a full spectrum war against its spread.

[nikolapegayyyaasss]

The reply of Brother Maripat depicts a sense of influence of the infidels and their ways of dealing with Muslims. This is just like seeing half of the picture and not seeing whats beyond it. You're only seeing the tactic of the Americans and not seeing what Muslims like the Al-Qaeda do to deal with it.

On one side Al-Qaeda is not a reality and on the other America comes in with 50 countries to crush them, spend their wealth, get their men killed just to kill THEIR OWN MEN who were made to be a SHOW for the public so as to create an enemy. Alright, even if they are not their own men even then coming with 50 countries (or so) to defeat them, with the REAL motive of invading a Muslim country is senseless.

Even if the outfit is a staged drama or just to create an issue. Why did they not leave Afghanistan after putting Karzai (puppet) in? Why are they still running after these staged elements? Why are they scared of them?

[gennnniiikk]

i do not think sir maripat's views on al-qaeda depict absolute reality - yet he is spot on about how americans go to war in the modern era.
there is lot of discrepancy in reports coming from international media and from mujahideen sources. if anyone has the knowledge and research to resolve these discrepancies then they have reached a complete understanding of al-qaeda and american warfare.