[formobilagsw]

Assalamu alaykum

get deluded into myths and try to rationalize them How and when did that happen.
And
the solution?

[Xcqjwarl]

Assalamu alaykum



How and when did that happen.
And
the solution?

What solution are you talking about ?

To understand it in a better way , read the biography of Umer Ibn Al-Khattab ra by Muhammad Hussain Haikal in which he has summarized the social model implemented by Hadrat Umer ra. The same model accompanied by pragmatic Muslim thought can yield wonders and that is what the solution is.
For the deluding mythical esoterica , read the prophecies of Nazim Haqqani and other sufis etc.

[formobilagsw]

Assalamu alaykum

To understand it in a better way , read the biography of Umer Ibn Al-Khattab ra by Muhammad Hussain Haikal in which he has summarized the social model implemented by Hadrat Umer ra. The same model accompanied by pragmatic Muslim thought can yield wonders and that is what the solution is.
For the deluding mythical esoterica , read the prophecies of Nazim Haqqani and other sufis etc. I have read "al-farooq" biography by shibli nomaani. For implementing any model, responsibility is with both the rulers and citizens. Is it possible you have Syeduna Umar Radiallahu anhu as ruler today and there will be solutions.

May be your analysis is based on Indian sub-continent alone. Correct me if I am wrong, the people around haram require correction today.

And regarding mythical esoterica, it is limited to a very negligible portion of ummah.

[Snweyuag]

Mujaddid Ameerul Mumineen Mullah Muhammad Umar Akhund......

although many people would disagree with me. But dont forget that people from all over the world joined him so he is not just limited to Afghanistan.

[Snweyuag]

Mujaddid Ameerul Mumineen Mullah Muhammad Umar Akhund......

although many people would disagree with me. But dont forget that people from all over the world joined him so he is not just limited to Afghanistan.

[Xcqjwarl]

Assalamu alaykum



s.

May be your analysis is based on Indian sub-continent alone. Correct me if I am wrong, the people around haram require correction today.

And regarding mythical esoterica, it is limited to a very negligible portion of ummah.

I will humbly disagree. The mythical esoterica is making up the major portion of Muslim Ummah.
Secondly , in the present condition , i will be more keen to guide the grave worshipers found in the outskirts of Uttarpardaish and Nizam-uddin towards Tawheed than to think about the minor faults of the people around Haram.

[formobilagsw]

Assalamu alaykum

i will be more keen to guide the grave worshipers found in the outskirts of Uttarpardaish and Nizam-uddin towards Tawheed than to think about the minor faults of the people around Haram. Yes you are welcome.

An neutral authority only can judge what is minor and what is major.

Regarding the guiding the grave worshippers:

You spoke of biography of Syeduna Umar radiallahu anhu. Overnight the model was not implemented, the model was evolved from the day Rasulullah SAS openly invited the meccans towards haq. And even during Syeduna Umar Radiallahu anhu period, there were dynamic changes in the model.

Today if Syeduna Umar radiallahu would have been around, he would have not implemented the model of his period. He would have had a different model altogether. May be he would have started from where Rasululah SAS started. Qurbani, reach to every person. Change is brought in society by changing its members..

May be I should guide you towards one paper presented by "Barbara Metcalf". I shall post that if I could recall the site.

One more example:

During Ziaul Haq period, weekly holiday was changed from friday to sunday, reason, being holiday people stopped praying even the friday prayers and all haraam activities on friday. To save the taqaddus of friday, the holiday was changed to sunday. Now you please tell me which ruler and what model can bring the change.

[xyupi]

Imam Ghazali is someone who most scholars regard as the mujaddid of his time.

One may also looks at Shaykh Zakariyya Al-Ansari and Shaykh Al-Bajuri in recent times.

[Storwaytozy]

Mujaddid Ameerul Mumineen Mullah Muhammad Umar Akhund......

although many people would disagree with me. But dont forget that people from all over the world joined him so he is not just limited to Afghanistan.

Tbh, I would extend the mujaddid title to the Taliban leadership in general. The reason being that while Mullah Umar is the actual leader, he is not the only reason or even perhaps the main reason why the Emirate was so successful in what they did. Many other of their leaders have similar qualities to Mullah Umar, such as Mullah Zaeef, etc

[Snweyuag]

Tbh, I would extend the mujaddid title to the Taliban leadership in general. The reason being that while Mullah Umar is the actual leader, he is not the only reason or even perhaps the main reason why the Emirate was so successful in what they did. Many other of their leaders have similar qualities to Mullah Umar, such as Mullah Zaeef, etc

you havent met Ameerul Mumineen (db) bro.......just keep the various pukhtoon tribes together was an achievment in itself!

but yes you are right. it took a whole group of mujahideen to bring the khilafat.

[GenManagerS]

True. Shaikh Ahmad Sarhindi helped umma at a time when eeman of the Muslims Of Subcontinent was in danger.Not only that, his discussions on importance of Sunna,His Jehad against all kinds of Bida,Correct tashreeh of wahdatul wujood,taking steps against fake or misguided sufi,s,Guiding Ulema towards their duties, and most importantly choosing the most effective non-violent way to use Akbar,s own Amirs against his deen e elahi and therefore bringing the most difficult political change in government,where every coming king was better than the previous one,untill the change was completed at Hazrat Aurangzeb Alamger Rahemahullah.
such multifaceted personalities are rare even in this very gifted Umma, and therefore he deserves the title of not only mujaddad but mujaddad Alfe thani.
a few friends have written about the Myth of Tajdeed,i am surprised,as the term mujaddad and some of its details are given in Hadeeth.Shall we still call it a myth or Esoteric phenomana ?

[temansertewek]

if m right maulana ashraf ullah thanvi(rah) is considered to be the mujadid of the last century, than how can maulana ilyaas(rah) be the mujadid in the same century??

[excholza]

if m right maulana ashraf ullah thanvi(rah) is considered to be the mujadid of the last century, than how can maulana ilyaas(rah) be the mujadid in the same century??

Hakeem ul Ummat Mujadid of tasawwuf. Moulana Ilyaas Mujadid of dawat tabligh.

[temansertewek]

Hakeem ul Ummat Mujadid of tasawwuf. Moulana Ilyaas Mujadid of dawat tabligh.

brother, i dont think there is a mujadid in separate fields than their ought to be mujadid of zikr, mujadid of tilawah etc??

[Xcqjwarl]

Assalamu alaykum



Yes you are welcome.

An neutral authority only can judge what is minor and what is major.

Regarding the guiding the grave worshippers:

1. All the points of differences will be referred to Quran and Hadith and we don't need any "neutral authority" to judge our matters.

2.Grave-worshiping is Shirk and that is unarguably the biggest sin

[excholza]

brother, i dont think there is a mujadid in separate fields than their ought to be mujadid of zikr, mujadid of tilawah etc??

Ya there is mujadid in separate fields.

[Xcqjwarl]

Here is a list of 'Barelvi Mujadids' which ends on Tahir Ul Qadri (The Mujadid of 15th century Hijra). No wonder how the deluded esoterica use unspecific terms to rule the minds of superstitious public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZwDzYi8wFY

[excholza]

Here is a list of 'Barelvi Mujadids' which ends on Tahir Ul Qadri (The Mujadid of 15th century Hijra). No wonder how the deluded esoterica use unspecific terms to rule the minds of superstitious public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZwDzYi8wFY

Would only be waste of time to comment on this video. The guy said it right, Reverend Tahir ul Qadri.

[GenManagerS]

Here is a list of 'Barelvi Mujadids' which ends on Tahir Ul Qadri (The Mujadid of 15th century Hijra). No wonder how the deluded esoterica use unspecific terms to rule the minds of superstitious public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZwDzYi8wFY

Superstitious attitude is dangerous, illogical and leads no where, but the terms used in Hadeeth can not be termed Esoteric superstition.yes i agree that other than Umar Ibne Abdul Aziz no mujaddid is 100% agreed upon. Probably Mujaddid Alfe thani ra is another exception,but as we know from Hadeeth,a mujaddid does come at the beginning of each new century. Who are they? Are they a person or a group, ? Are they each separate for each nation or just one at a time in umma? Is there a separate mujaddid for each field of importance like ILM,DAWA,SULOOK,TADBEER E MADANI (politics) or just one person dealing with all.Does a Mujaddid know he is a Mujaddid or he can only be recognized in retrospect?
All these questions needs to explored.As for Barelvi or deobandi list of Mujaddids is concerned, i think a Mujaddid is supposed to come for removing all the innovations in Din and make it as pure as it was, ideally the need for a list of mujaddid for each separate sect should not arise,then.
wallaho alam

[excholza]

Where is mujadid of amaliyaat?